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[david06851313]

Originally Posted by blake2010ss

I Was told before that if I wanted to go for a top spot on a dyno day that i could have the timing advanced to make a pretty number but the car wouldn't drive as well

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That is true.

[OK2DRUL]

Originally Posted by Southern Comfort

Coworker just ordered a new Chevy:

Not a fan of the green or tan tops on a convertible, but that's still a sweet ride. We looked at some Tahoes yesterday at Jim Ellis and they have a red coupe with black wheels. Pretty sure if I didn't go black on black that would be my choice.

[CamaroKid300]

Originally Posted by david06851313

I have a 14. It's not a daily. Its a street car. I've had big cam cars before. They aren't as bad as everyone says they just aren't use to them.


either way. Charlie said I can come up there and ride drive one of there cammmed cars and see what I think.

So what benefit do you get of having your power band higher up since the car is indeed a street car?

Why would you not want something that gives you more power down low on the street for when someone tests you at a red-light?

[Brolik10]

[QUOTE=david06851313;7579347]

Originally Posted by Brolik10

So what you trying to say? Didn't like charlie or didn't like vengence?

I was joking that the Blower was a waste of $6500 if he could've made 500 cam only.
No issues with any of the Big 3.

I take that back... My A/C compressor keeps taking a crap in my DD.. It's been quite the enigma for a certain builder. Lmao


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[david06851313]

Originally Posted by CamaroKid300

So what benefit do you get of having your power band higher up since the car is indeed a street car?

Why would you not want something that gives you more power down low on the street for when someone tests you at a red-light?

I won't play on the street. I may be young but I'm not dumb. My license is my lively hood. One ticket and I can loose my insurance and business. Could care less about that dick measuring contest. If it makes tons of low power and just roasts the tires it doesn't help me at all.
[QUOTE=Brolik10;7579940]

Originally Posted by david06851313

I was joking that the Blower was a waste of $6500 if he could've made 500 cam only.
No issues with any of the Big 3.

I take that back... My A/C compressor keeps taking a crap in my DD.. It's been quite the enigma for a certain builder. Lmao


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Who you calling the big three.?



Whats the daily?

[Brolik10]

MTI, vengeance, and Spartan. Are there more. sure. but since we started this(ACE5)nearly 5 years ago most of have used one or all of those shops.

DD=TBSS & Pontiac GP


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[david06851313]

Mti.... eh. Lol


I've been to vengeance a lot over the years... wasn't overly impressed with a few things.



I would like to give josh a try. I remember him from the gafba days and his shop monkey went to lanier tech with me.

[CamaroKid300]

Originally Posted by david06851313

I won't play on the street. I may be young but I'm not dumb. My license is my lively hood. One ticket and I can loose my insurance and business. Could care less about that dick measuring contest. If it makes tons of low power and just roasts the tires it doesn't help me at all.

Never said you were dumb.

And a cam only car isn't going to just roast the tires. You'll be able to I agree, but not going to be anything like a blown car.

[blake2010ss]

Originally Posted by david06851313

I won't play on the street. I may be young but I'm not dumb. My license is my lively hood. One ticket and I can loose my insurance and business. Could care less about that dick measuring contest. If it makes tons of low power and just roasts the tires it doesn't help me at all.

I would assume a big cam for a high HP number would be the only for a measuring contest if its only street driven. I'd think for a track you'd want more low end to get out of the hole better.

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[david06851313]

Originally Posted by CamaroKid300

Never said you were dumb.

And a cam only car isn't going to just roast the tires. You'll be able to I agree, but not going to be anything like a blown car.

Never said you did. Just making a statement.

Originally Posted by blake2010ss

I would assume a big cam for a high HP number would be the only for a measuring contest if its only street driven. I'd think for a track you'd want more low end to get out of the hole better.

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Not always true. You can knock the tires off with too much low end etc in a track car.


Always depends on the car. Etc.

[Josh @ Spartan LSX]

Originally Posted by david06851313

That's what charlie is claiming josh. That's what he said in his emails.

The facepalm wasn't meant towards you David. Just that "500rwhp on stock heads" crap. I've seen these "500hp" cams from shops all over the country. We remove them all the time. Huge duration, way too much overlap, no vacuum at low rpm's, and only make power from 4K-7K. A terrible combination for the 4000lb behemoths that are the 5th Gen.

That isn't meant as a dig towards Charlie because I personally have no problems with the guy, or anyone else for that matter but chasing big horsepower while throwing TORQUE to the side in these cars is a mistake. A big heavy car with a final drive ratio of 3.45 (or less in the auto's) need TORQUE first. After all, torque is the actual end result of an equation while horsepower is a hypothetical equation based off of torque. To achieve torque you need cylinder pressure, proper valve timing events that help push that piston up & down, proper chamber evacuation, etc. You cannot achieve this with a camshaft sporting 15-20 degrees of valve overlap.

Cars that primarily see the street need torque to be fun, responsive street cars. A big max effort camshaft is great if your car stays on the track with a 4.11 gear and lives above 4500 rpm's it's entire life. Otherwise, giving up 10-15 peak HP for a ton more in the midrange is well worth the sacrifice for having a car that put's a smile on your face regardless if you're on or off the throttle.

Anyway, enough jabbing. PM'ing you as soon as I finish up with this next guy down here..... \/ \/

Originally Posted by Brolik10

I take that back... My A/C compressor keeps taking a crap in my DD.. It's been quite the enigma for a certain builder. Lmao

Hey man, Picaso can only paint half a picture with a worn out old broken brush to start with. At any rate, I'm gonna leave your lug nuts loose next time!!!!

[CamaroKid300]

Originally Posted by Josh @ Spartan LSX

The facepalm wasn't meant towards you David. Just that "500rwhp on stock heads" crap. I've seen these "500hp" cams from shops all over the country. We remove them all the time. Huge duration, way too much overlap, no vacuum at low rpm's, and only make power from 4K-7K. A terrible combination for the 4000lb behemoths that are the 5th Gen.

That isn't meant as a dig towards Charlie because I personally have no problems with the guy, or anyone else for that matter but chasing big horsepower while throwing TORQUE to the side in these cars is a mistake. A big heavy car with a final drive ratio of 3.45 (or less in the auto's) need TORQUE first. After all, torque is the actual end result of an equation while horsepower is a hypothetical equation based off of torque. To achieve torque you need cylinder pressure, proper valve timing events that help push that piston up & down, proper chamber evacuation, etc. You cannot achieve this with a camshaft sporting 15-20 degrees of valve overlap.

Cars that primarily see the street need torque to be fun, responsive street cars. A big max effort camshaft is great if your car stays on the track with a 4.11 gear and lives above 4500 rpm's it's entire life. Otherwise, giving up 10-15 peak HP for a ton more in the midrange is well worth the sacrifice for having a car that put's a smile on your face regardless if you're on or off the throttle.

Anyway, enough jabbing. PM'ing you as soon as I finish up with this next guy down here..... \/ \/



Hey man, Picaso can only paint half a picture with a worn out old broken brush to start with. At any rate, I'm gonna leave your lug nuts loose next time!!!!

I love a good, educated response.

Plus I learn something.

[Brolik10]

Don't encourage him JT he's a damn trouble maker..


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[CamaroKid300]

Originally Posted by Brolik10

Don't encourage him JT he's a damn trouble maker..


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