Motortrend/Ford taking shot at Camaro!

[RT21]

Originally Posted by RT21

Camaro V6 <= Mustang V8

Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 4.6 liters
Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 315 hp
Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 325 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4250 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1000 lbs.
Drive Type: RWD Turning Circle: 37.7 ft.

Originally Posted by chadrcr

Right now the mustang OWNS a car that is not yet produced for the public....
right now the mustang has about the same power as a 10 year old Camaro...hmmmm what a proud position for the mustang. not to mention the V6.

For the ford guys... quit being so sensitive... can you really be surprised that a Camaro site has people who will defend the Camaro? most of us like the mustang, this thread was on the topic of comparing ford's 'super' V8 mustang to Chevy's mass production (hopefully) V8 Camaro. It is priced --noticeably-- higher, whatever the MSRP is. If it is fair to compare the GT500 v SS, then we should never hear any complaints about comparing the SS to the GT, while they are competitively priced.

The point was...V6 Camaro = 304hp ... Mustang V8 = 315 ... get it?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Supermans

I like to be as accurate as possible so it is fairest to compare the cars with the same trims..

You have to compare the GT500 to a fully loaded 2SS/RS to get the same equivalent which does bring the price closer.

msrp $46,325 GT500

msrp $35,100 Camaro 2SS/RS with polished rims

The GT500 comes standard with all those extra's...

That's closer to an $11,000 difference between the two give and take. I know IRS is in with the SS and not in the GT500 however since it is not an option to include or exclude, I can't put a price on that hence the give and take. And yes, price gouging on the GT500 runs rampant..

no you dont have to comapre fully loaded...we are comparing performance for price...if ford wasnt smart enough to offer the gt500 stripped that isnt chevys problem....compare the cheapest ss to the cheapest gt500 and you get a 16k difference.....which means the gt500 is in another price level......which the z28 will be compared to if it ever comes out...

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by RT21

The point was...V6 Camaro = 304hp ... Mustang V8 = 315 ... get it?

I get it... that was part of my point, along with the 10 year old Camaro having more power than the 'new' mustang

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Where does this $20K number come from? Help me understand.

same place that comparisons between the Camaro LS and the Mustang GT and supercharged Camaros weighing hundreds of pounds less than the GT500 come from.

Originally Posted by garagelogic

2010 GT500 MSRP: $46,325
2010 1SS Camaro (I'll use the cheaper of the two SS models): $30,245

For those that don't understand where $30 245 came from, its the MSRP without destination included.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

they forgot on thing on that cover. well 2 things.
1. its supercharged
2. its about 20k more than the camaro
nice try though ford. they havent even seen performance numbers and they are already starting the fight. just wait till they see the numbers. yeah of course its gonna lose,.......but remember its a n/a vs a s/c. thats all ford has is a s/c to solve all their problems. where as chevy gets the power all by itself.

Ford just made the car. It's MotorTrend making the comparison, which is stupid of course. Ford had nothing to do with that cover.

[meanmike]

Boy there sure are alot of turd's on this forum. Yep im talking about the Mustang boy's that come on here and talk shit. I mean no offense to the enthusiast.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by RT21

Your MSRP is wrong according to this dealer: http://heraldnet.motors.adicio.com/a...ort=price+desc

That looks like a KR, not a regular GT500. Still way over list though.

[Xlr8torZ28]

Originally Posted by clydsdale

Ford doesn't need to. there has always been a demand for the mustang. Chevy phased out the camaro because of lack of intrest.

WRONG... What killed the 4th gen f-body is GM. It was priced too high. Peoples logic was, "I can buy a slower cheaper Mustang, then throw some power adders on to end up with more HP than the F-body for less money. Then the people that could afford the F-body went and did their power adders and titled the scales back again. If they had been priced the same or even only $2000 apart, the F-body would have outsold the Mustangs.

Originally Posted by chadrcr

YEP,
There has been no shortage of people to 'demand' a slower cheaper car that does not turn... hmmm what kind of people would demand a slow cheap car that wont turn...
There has always been demand for the Camaro, GM just priced it above the mustang so way too many people settled for the cheaper option.
Again, no offense to mustang owners ( I am one too )

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

the extra money you could buy a ls9 what a bunch of idiots thst is like comparing a ferrari and a corvette why dont they compare the gt500 to the z06 the cost about the same the zo6 woul **** all over the gt500

I would concur, and so did one of hte car mags in a recent review I saw online. In the end the car mag said and I paraphrase "when its all said and done, between the GT500 and Z06, only one is a real sports car!" I wonder which one they were referring to.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by Xlr8torZ28

If they had been priced the same or even only $2000 apart, the F-body would have outsold the Mustangs.

Not true, keep in mind Ford has alway had larger fleet sales for the Mustang than GM did for the Camaro(ie: Hertz,Budget etc)which makes up a big portion of the Mustang sales and which is also why you see a huge flood used ones on the dealers lot 6-12 months after every years model release.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by rmyers

I would concur, and so did one of hte car mags in a recent review I saw online. In the end the car mag said and I paraphrase "when its all said and done, between the GT500 and Z06, only one is a real sports car!" I wonder which one they were referring to.

No arguement there. If I had the dough to lay out of either of those cars I would pick the Z06 hands down!! That's a super sweet ride you have there. I love the blue.
The GT500 is better suited for the crappy roads around here(more ground clearance)and if you have kids to haul around. Driving around in my buddy's Vette you're tightening the sphincter everytime there's a dip in the road. Vette guys that live in areas where the roads suck know what I mean.LOL

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

Not true, keep in mind Ford has alway had larger fleet sales for the Mustang than GM did for the Camaro(ie: Hertz,Budget etc)which makes up a big portion of the Mustang sales and which is also why you see a huge flood used ones on the dealers lot 6-12 months after every years model release.

IF the prices were equal, and the regular sales were equal... you think Hertz etc would not have wanted more Camaros? I know more people would have wanted Camaros, if GM had priced them the same as Mustang.

[teamlynn1]

Motor Trend Car Of The Year 1996 - Dodge Caravan


I quit believing in motortrend after this issue back in 96. A caravan as car of the year are you shitting me ha ha ha ha h aha piss on motortrend!

[TheCavalry]

Originally Posted by 70/10 Keith

Good job MT...way to compare an S/C car to a N/A car. How about we stick a supercharger on the SS? Lets see...superchargers on an OE safe setting will make about 40% more horsepower than the engine is already making. So that means the 5.4 in the GT500 is making about 385 HP to achieve 540HP. The 2SS makes 426. Supercharge that at 40% and you get 596...in a car that weighs approx. 300lbs less and costs approx 12K less. Oh yeah, and Ford wouldn't "pony up" for an IRS again either. I guess I'm missing MT's point here.