Grammar police, you can vent here

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by 6bangerBOOM

So while PalmerGA may have somehow perceived that he was helping Dark Age 53 out, the message that was actually transmitted was "hey, I'm trying to help you because you look like an idiot".

I can assure you that making anyone "look like an idiot" was not my intent.

Does it frustrate me to continually see the misuse of the English language, even in its most very basic form? Hell yes.

Do I have the tendency to occasionally let that frustration show trough in my posts? I'm sure I do.

I apologize if I've made anyone here feel like an idiot, but I will NOT apologize for taking opportunities to improve someone's diction and/or grammar.

You can take murder ball out of gym class. You can stop keeping score in Teeball. You can change high school grading systems to "pass/fail". You can make automobiles nearly idiot-proof with all the nannies on them. But you cannot fool people when you open your mouth and prove your ignorance.**

** Notice I said ignorance and not stupidity. If you don't know the difference... look it up.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by 6bangerBOOM

There is a difference between correcting false information and correcting spelling and grammar. False information should absolutely be corrected on this site. Spelling and grammar do not really matter in terms of conveying a message (to an extent), just in how it makes you perceive the message sender. So while PalmerGA may have somehow perceived that he was helping Dark Age 53 out, the message that was actually transmitted was "hey, I'm trying to help you because you look like an idiot". This is why his post received such a negative reaction, and the thread hastened to disorder.

Is your protest based on HOW the correction is made, or that the correction was made in the first place? Is using words incorrectly really that different from false information? Doing something incorrectly, or saying something that is not true are related. They are both incorrect, and should be fixed.

I actually had a long response typed out, but when I went back and read it I realized I would come off like more of a dick than I meant to be. How the message was transmitted, or at least how you perceived it, has a lot of truth to it. People are judged in all kinds of ways. Some people judge others on how you dress, and others on your physical appearance (you're fat, you have messy hair, etc). What is almost universal though, especially in the professional world, is judgement based on how a person writes or types.

You may debate that this forum isn't the professional world, and rightly so, but that's not a point of debate. The point is that spelling and grammar are habitual. It's not a matter of laziness. A person won't fill out an essay or resume and use "their, there, and they're" correctly, and then be "too lazy" to use them correctly any other time. That makes absolutely no sense. While spelling and grammar might not have as much to do with the message, it has everything to do with how you perceive the person writing the message. So yes, to all those who say spelling doesn't matter... it does. Choose to not believe it. That's your choice.

Now of course, if a person really doesn't care that their spelling and grammar are messed up and has no desire to fix it, then so be it. But how do YOU view that person? You don't need to answer it, but think about it.

[6bangerBOOM]

Proper spelling, grammar, and editing are essential to a healthy career. But for some people it isn't important, and I don't judge them for that. Lol, look at my posts and you'll notice that over half of them say I edited the post. I go back and check my spelling and wording every time I post. I am a decently educated (Master's in Communication) person, and I like to come off as such. And I am always a proponent for a proper application of the English language. What's my point then?

Let it be.

[CamaroSkooter]

Obviously all of these posts were liposuction-ed from another thread and placed here.

Now I'm curious which thread this benign tumor was removed from...

[6bangerBOOM]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Obviously all of these posts were liposuction-ed from another thread and placed here.

Now I'm curious which thread this benign tumor was removed from...

Lmao. Yeah, we all got in trouble, so they made us go to Off-topic until we were ready to be nice. It came from the PDR thread.

[PoorMansCamaro]

My biggest peeve, when people say "I could care less." Really? you CAN care less? That means you do care. Thanks for caring, and letting me know!

[ssrs2lt]

this topic always makes me laugh.. soo serious this posting thing we do.. its not that we're writing for advanced degrees its the internet Camaro chat board..hell I don't even know if half the people here are real or should I say reel..hahaha .lock me up, I always type from a phone a very crappy one at that!

[13lstuner]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

My biggest peeve, when people say "I could care less." Really? you CAN care less? That means you do care. Thanks for caring, and letting me know!

I say that lol. Too much of a habit for me to break now.

[6bangerBOOM]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

I can assure you that making anyone "look like an idiot" was not my intent.

Does it frustrate me to continually see the misuse of the English language, even in its most very basic form? Hell yes.

Do I have the tendency to occasionally let that frustration show trough in my posts? I'm sure I do.

I apologize if I've made anyone here feel like an idiot, but I will NOT apologize for taking opportunities to improve someone's diction and/or grammar.

You can take murder ball out of gym class. You can stop keeping score in Teeball. You can change high school grading systems to "pass/fail". You can make automobiles nearly idiot-proof with all the nannies on them. But you cannot fool people when you open your mouth and prove your ignorance.**

** Notice I said ignorance and not stupidity. If you don't know the difference... look it up.

I'm just trying to help you. My post was meant to show that your message was so ill received because you did not take into account how it would come across. When you have to say "I don't mean any offense" in a post you're already working on shaky ground.

[90503]

...Grammar "Police".....Grammar "Nazis"....hmmm.....Interesting how a perceived "right" to be lazy, rude, self-righteous, etc., with terrible spelling and grammar is defended with demeaning titles aimed at those who don't care for it....

It all makes sense, actually and is not surprising....Only the selfish would complain that some think we shouldn't have ignorance foisted upon us as if it were normal and acceptable...

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Obviously all of these posts were liposuction-ed from another thread and placed here.

Now I'm curious which thread this benign tumor was removed from...

I think you mean metastasized, and definitely malignant... "What are you, stupid or sumpthin?"

[edit] I did this for a couple of reasons, first, there was no reason for me to correct his post..... second, I just like to call scooter stupid every chance I get. Keeps him humble :neener:

[AG1LE]

Originally Posted by Baba

PDR to me = Physician Desk Reference.

+1

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by 6bangerBOOM

Proper spelling, grammar, and editing are essential to a healthy career. But for some people it isn't important, and I don't judge them for that. Lol, look at my posts and you'll notice that over half of them say I edited the post. I go back and check my spelling and wording every time I post. I am a decently educated (Master's in Communication) person, and I like to come off as such. And I am always a proponent for a proper application of the English language. What's my point then?

Let it be.

Proper spelling and grammar are essential to a healthy career. Agreed. I would think that's important for all people. Who doesn't want a more satisfying career, or at least a better paying job? You go back and check your posts, make corrections, and put in effort to come off as decently educated. Would you say it has been advantageous for you to do so? In your healthy career, would you pick a co-worker, manager, or subordinate that has poor grammar and spelling, or proper grammar and spelling? As a person, if you were spelling or typing incorrectly, do you think it would be beneficial for someone to correct you? Correct, or at least "good" spelling and grammar are signs of educated people.

I would say spelling and grammar are a big deal that people write off too easily. Even if you don't care at all, simply doing it well will provide benefits that you may not even realize. You may not judge (I applaud you for that), but many people do. At least enough to get a bunch of posts moved into their own thread in Off Topic.

And I think when you correct someone, you have to say "no offense". There are a lot of chronically offended people out there...

[Mr Twisty]

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