[PhantomV8]

How do you guys feel about the news that the Camaro was awarded one of the least reliable vehicles by Consumer Reports? Honestly I am not surprised, I have had my own issues with the car. Check out the article below:

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...y-survey-2017/

[Number 3]

And Cadillac rated worst brand of 27.

Dirty secret. You don't actually have to own the car to rate it.

[Camarofan93]

I love my car when its working properly

[LuvMI]

Hmmm. Interesting... still want a 2SS.

[Factorypilot]

I take CR with a grain of salt. Pick any item of theirs that is highly recommended and then go do your research. You'll see some interesting results.

[1hprush]

Show me a perfect car and I'll show you a liar! However, I will say some cars do feel perfect for a moment...and it's in that moment we love our cars.

[jaysonstuart]

I did find it interesting some of the complaints about the Buick's and GMC's were the same shit I see posted here over and over.

Seems like the infotainment system is pretty bad on all GM platforms. The 8 speed auto seems rather glitchy across all platforms as well

[MotownBoy]

Personally, I can live quite well with "...low dash vents tend to freeze your hand..." is a major flaw! Bad visibility? Tight rear seats? Yeah to both but known when you buy.

"Price as tested: $47,020
Trouble spots: Transmission (minor), in-car electronics, drive system
The Camaro possesses impressive handling agility and sharp steering. The optional magnetic ride suspension impressively keeps the car planted. The manual shifter has light, precise throws. Base models use a 275-hp turbo four-cylinder, and the new 3.6-liter V6 makes 335 hp. For the SS, Chevrolet dropped in the ferocious 6.2-liter V8 from the Corvette. All use a six-speed manual or an eight-speed automatic. The easy-to-use MyLink infotainment system is a plus, but the low dash vents tend to freeze your hand when it’s on the shifter. Visibility is atrocious, and rear-seat room is extremely tight. A performance ZL1 version is available, powered by a 650-hp, 6.2-liter V8 supercharged engine mated to the six-speed manual or an optional 10-speed automatic."

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by 1hprush

Show me a perfect car and I'll show you a liar! However, I will say some cars do feel perfect for a moment...and it's in that moment we love our cars.

It's measured accurately by number of defects per 100 units.

JD Power Initial quality is measured by the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100) during the first 90 days of ownership, with a lower score reflecting higher quality.

Kia ranks highest in overall initial quality for a second consecutive year with a score of 72 PP100.

Ford 86 PP100 - Chevrolet 88 PP100 - Dodge 106 PP100

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...-power-iqs-kia

Different models are higher or lower within their brand.

Originally Posted by jaysonstuart

I did find it interesting some of the complaints about the Buick's and GMC's were the same shit I see posted here over and over.

Seems like the infotainment system is pretty bad on all GM platforms. The 8 speed auto seems rather glitchy across all platforms as well

Originally Posted by Paulbates455

My car has had a bunch of bs issues. Very frustrating, but it has never left me stranded. It has alway got me from place to place. Not sure about the reliability of these types of lists. Some say GM products are great. Some say they’re not so great. CR put poor visibility and a tight backseat as reliability issues. That sucks, they’re right, but not relevant to reliability. Also stated minor transmission issues. The torque converter repeatedly going out isn’t a minor problem. I saw this list as a slideshow on Yahoo.

Yes, the A8 torque converter failure rate is not good.

Good thing the A10 replaces it for 2019.
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If you don't like bad news, don't read the 2017 JD Power Midsize sporty-car initial quality rankings. It's not just Consumer Reports.

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/study/20...porty-Car/1077

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[OddJack]

IT's certainly not good that Camaros have reliability issues with transmission.

But, it's about priorities and life style first. If our preference was reliability , we would have bought a Lexus RC, or a Honda, or a Toyota. A guy with kids and family, wouldnt buy a Camaro, or if he did he would need a second car. A sedan or a minivan.

Ferraris and Lamborghinis are less reliable than the worst cars in that list, but it would have sounded silly if CR included them in their report. Even though there is a lot difference between the two and Camaros, the logic is the same: Reliability was not the point.

Even though I would still buy a Camaro over a Lexus RC, reports such as CR's should not be ignored. We must complain as loud as we can to have GM improve the quality of the car we all love to drive.

[Klayman]

The reliability argument doesn't fly anymore for certain brands (Japanese/German) My Tahoe has 180k and runs awesome and my S10 has 295k and is my daily driver of about 90 miles a day. I had a new 4runner and paid it off....great vehicle...but it had it's quirks also and at 160k the tranny started acting herky-jerky. Had the tranny flushed and traded it. I've had issues/quirks with every vehicle I've owned, new and old....(I won't buy Chrysler anymore...lol)

My camaro has it's quirks also; jerky shifting-down shifting when in track mode, infotainment system flakes out, usually the usb or bluetooth connection. BUT...it is an awesome vehicle and in a few years I want to trade it for another vette or ZL1!

[IMadeYouReadThis]

The most reliable vehicles that General Motors makes come out of their Oshawa Assembly Plant. anything Oshawa make is higher quality than anything Toyota or Honda makes hands down guaranteed. look at how solid the 5th gen Camaro was.

[Lazerbrainz2k3]

Seems like a pretty useless article, even at the "10 Least Reliable Cars" link where the Camaro is found. Sure, there's a line about the issues each car has, but the majority of the text for each are observations about visibility, option packages, ride quality, and lumbar support - none of which has anything to do with reliability.

If they're not going to explain more in detail about what issues were found and how prevalent they are, what's the point?

[Blazin383]

I think it’s laughable how automotive publications (not that I’d ever consider CR an automotive publication) evaluate and rate vehicles. They constantly take a vehicle and test it against criteria it was never designed or intended to excel in, and then go on and on about its poor performance against that criteria! For example they’ll take a basic sedan or a mini van and thrash it on a race track then badger it for its poor performance. Or, in the case of the Camaro, they constantly badger the Camaro for terrible back seats! Really? Is no consideration ever given to the idea that the vast majority of people buying Camaros couldn’t care less that there is no leg room in the back seat! If rear leg room and head room was important to the Camaro buyer, they wouldn’t be a Camaro buyer! I have two 6th gen Camaros and it took me about 30 minutes of drive time to get totally comfortable with the visibility! These testers jump from one car to the next and yes, I’m sure the Camaro can feel tight and confined right after you climb out of a big sedan.... doesn’t mean it’s not a matter of getting comfortable with the sight lines and mirror use!

Even CR admitted and rated the Camaro strongly in all the areas that are important to the typical Camaro buyer, i.e. performance, handling, style!

Is the 8 sp auto the smoothest shifting trans in the industry? Nope! Does it shift hard and fast when being driven hard? Yep! Does the infotainment system suffer from glitches? Some do! Is that enough to ruine the driving experience for most? Probably not!

I have 10,000 miles on my 16 2SS, and have never had hardly a problem one and I couldnt care less that the back seat has no leg/head room!

Take it all with a grain of salt and don’t let this stuff tarnish such a great car!!