12-21-2017, 11:02 AM | #645 | |
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I am honestly just glad we have a reason to compare performance between these 2 again!
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12-21-2017, 11:03 AM | #646 | |
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Ford led the engineering on the A10, while GM is leading the engineering on a 9 spd auto for FWD cars. BOTH companies are paying to design/engineer this.
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12-21-2017, 11:05 AM | #647 | |
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12-21-2017, 11:05 AM | #648 | |
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12-21-2017, 11:09 AM | #650 |
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I'll give Blaq his credit he called a mid 12 and it happened. Disappointing time for sure.
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12-21-2017, 11:11 AM | #651 | |
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Also, the Camaro is a 2SS with the Redline Edition visual upgrades.
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GM knows who does what modern trans better I guess. Both had disappointing ET... that happens with poor prep.
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12-21-2017, 11:20 AM | #653 | |
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12-21-2017, 11:21 AM | #654 | |
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my point is Ford packages the GT diferently than the SS, you can buy a base GT without performance suspension and tires for less than you can purchase a SS because the SS has those items standard, so why take a Mustang without those items load it up with tech crap and then compare performance capabilities. the Cars are available with similar features, they should compare them that way. you would still be able to say the 1LE will trounce it on a road course |
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12-21-2017, 11:27 AM | #655 | ||
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As far as my slips for the HC, who said anything about the HC anyway? So do I have to take all my cars to the track all the time to prove something to you? LOL! GTFO here man. But incidentally I did take it to the track. I didn't get it until July this year so after break in I went. The night I went it was packed and we had a 2 hour wait. When we were up to run some kid broke down on the track (probably in a Mustang) so there was an additional 45 min wait for clean up. So after sitting and waiting for damn near 3 hours I left. It was almost closing and they were going to hot-lap me which I don't like doing. Plus I was tired and frustrated and that is no way to run a car like a Hellcat. So I have a return slip to go back. Unfortunately that was the last time I went as my work schedule picked up and tons of OT was available. And between going to the track and getting that money Imma choose money every time. So that is my story. I will hit the track in both of my cars this coming season. So if you're in NJ then you're more than welcome to come out there in one of your cars bro. I'll be out there. Quote:
LOL!! The Mustang guys should not be disappointed tho. It is clearly 3-5 tenths faster than the 15-17 based on the same type of testing. And that is with only a 25 hp increase and the A10 trans. It is disappointing only because these Mustang guys were expecting a 1 sec improvement and that is just not logical. Look at what it took for other cars to consistently do 11s in this same type of testing. Hellcat with M6, 11.7s. That is with 707 hp. ZL1 with M6, 11.7s. That is with 650 hp. GT500 with M6, 11.7s with 663 hp. They really thought a 460 hp GT with A10 trans would do those numbers consistently in any conditions in this type of testing? That is why I said mid 12s from the start. It takes a lot of power for these cars to do those types of performance numbers. Heck even the 15-17 GT guys at the track with boost are only doing mid to low 11s. Same with boosted SS Camaros. We will see faster times by about 2 tenths tho. M&T and C&D will likely get 12.4 or 12.5 out of the GT and 12.3 or 12.4 out of the SS making them driver's races. But that would still be in the area of mid 12s for the GT and low 12s for the SS. I personally am not impressed. But the GT guys should be happy even if the GT comes in behind, which will happen A8 to A10. Hey they are right on our tails now. It is soo close. It is basically 2011-2014 all over again this time with the SS ahead. None of us were ashamed of the SS during those years. So they shouldn't be ashamed or disappointed either. And they need to stop trying to get us to be impressed or gain our approval, lol!! |
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12-21-2017, 11:35 AM | #656 |
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Why would I be salty I drive a 5yo GT because I cant afford a new car , remember. I should be stoked because now I can justify my lack of finanacial capability by saying the '18 is no faster than a '11 .
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12-21-2017, 11:38 AM | #657 | |
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I already kinda knew that you didn't run it. and PS. SS and GT are now a drivers race. That's not a bad thing.
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12-21-2017, 11:44 AM | #658 | |
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More to the point, it's not our fault that Ford makes you pay for basic, quality suspensions/braking that come standard on the SS. It's just an excuse. Just like the Lund car not having the Drag mode or whatever other nonsense can be come up with. I'm not saying you're making an excuse, it's just how it comes across.
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