[islander033]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

They won one lap, after that, they lost...

In fact, it was so bad after the first lap, that it was no longer a contest.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...-shelby-gt500/

I'll agree with you, if its just one lap, the GT 500 won it easily...but on a road course, it's generally not one lap....

Oh and....the ZL1 still beat the GT500 around the Ring..oh wait, Ford wasn't stupid enough to run the car around it....

Had 2 faster laps and was still ahead on 3rd lap. That’s a win with anyone’s math.

Are you sure about your ring story? Lol

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by islander033

The laps got slightly slower on the one mag test....but all were still faster than the ZL1. So there is that.

Inch or a mile, winning a race is still winning.

You may want to go and re-read that article. Also, one lap isn’t a race.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

You may want to go and re-read that article. Also, one lap isn’t a race.

Multiple laps and was ahead at the end.

Do the math...

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by islander033

Multiple laps and was ahead at the end.

Do the math...

Right from article.



The Mustang laid down the faster lap solely by virtue of its 82-horsepower, 75-lb-ft advantage in a drag race up the front straight to the finish line. The result: Shelby, 1:38.69; ZL1, 1:39.18.

But wait, there’s a catch. You see, Randy had another observation about the Shelby. “The brakes just don’t generate confidence. They’re not enough to stop this car on a racetrack. On the street, they’re probably fine. But the Camaro brakes do stop the car.”

While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn’t repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight. By the end of the second lap, the Shelby had lost more than half of its advantage over the ZL1, turning a 1:39.03. By the third lap, the Mustang was behind the Camaro, turning a 1:39.30. The ZL1, meanwhile, never deviated by more than two-tenths of a second.

The problem, we suspect, is cooling. The Mustang is 234 pounds lighter than the Camaro and has larger front brakes, and while it has more power and more speed to deal with, it should stop better. In a single attempt, it does, stopping from 60 mph 7 feet shorter than the Camaro. At the track, though, Randy complained of serious fade. “Brakes lack bite, worse each lap,” he noted. “Feels like it doesn’t want to stop. Disconcerting.” We took a look under the cars, and where the Camaro had obvious ductwork to provide cool air to the front brakes, the Mustang had none.

So, yes, the Mustang turned a faster lap, but if it’s not repeatable, is it really a win? Find a 2.23-mile autocross and you might have something, but in any road race, the Mustang is going to quickly fall behind.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Right from article.



The Mustang laid down the faster lap solely by virtue of its 82-horsepower, 75-lb-ft advantage in a drag race up the front straight to the finish line. The result: Shelby, 1:38.69; ZL1, 1:39.18.

But wait, there’s a catch. You see, Randy had another observation about the Shelby. “The brakes just don’t generate confidence. They’re not enough to stop this car on a racetrack. On the street, they’re probably fine. But the Camaro brakes do stop the car.”

While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn’t repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight. By the end of the second lap, the Shelby had lost more than half of its advantage over the ZL1, turning a 1:39.03. By the third lap, the Mustang was behind the Camaro, turning a 1:39.30. The ZL1, meanwhile, never deviated by more than two-tenths of a second.

The problem, we suspect, is cooling. The Mustang is 234 pounds lighter than the Camaro and has larger front brakes, and while it has more power and more speed to deal with, it should stop better. In a single attempt, it does, stopping from 60 mph 7 feet shorter than the Camaro. At the track, though, Randy complained of serious fade. “Brakes lack bite, worse each lap,” he noted. “Feels like it doesn’t want to stop. Disconcerting.” We took a look under the cars, and where the Camaro had obvious ductwork to provide cool air to the front brakes, the Mustang had none.

So, yes, the Mustang turned a faster lap, but if it’s not repeatable, is it really a win? Find a 2.23-mile autocross and you might have something, but in any road race, the Mustang is going to quickly fall behind.

So do the math on those 3 laps that were run.

Go ahead and assume that the ZL1 did it's best lap of 1.39.18 every time...which it didn't.

PS. Don't forget to carry the 1.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by islander033

So do the math on those 3 laps that were run.

Go ahead and assume that the ZL1 did it's best lap of 1.39.18 every time...which it didn't.

PS. Don't forget to carry the 1.

I put things in Bold so you can understand.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by islander033

So do the math on those 3 laps that were run.

Go ahead and assume that the ZL1 did it's best lap of 1.39.18 every time...which it didn't.

PS. Don't forget to carry the 1.

The funny thing is the base SS is just about as fast as the 5th gen ZL1. The new GT 500 has to be an all around performer or people will be disappointed in it. Unless it can best a Demon on the strip, it will have to be competitive around a track like a ZL1 is.

Maybe there will be a 500 and 500R. Whatever they throw in the ring has to be a top performer. Can't afford not to have coolers this time.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

car mods:
Drag Pack, Tune/e85, x-pipe exhaust, stock air box, 315 gears, stock stall, 10 speed auto

The car is far from stock...and at least the guy was specifying that this was only a 301a car with no PP...

who claimed it was stock? it had Drag pak, tune, pulled air filter and resonator replaced with an X. you make it sound like it's FBO.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

They won one lap, after that, they lost...

In fact, it was so bad after the first lap, that it was no longer a contest.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...-shelby-gt500/

I'll agree with you, if its just one lap, the GT 500 won it easily...but on a road course, it's generally not one lap....

Oh and....the ZL1 still beat the GT500 around the Ring..oh wait, Ford wasn't stupid enough to run the car around it....

It was faster for 2 laps and would be ahead for the 3rd lap. After 3 laps the ZL1 would take the lead for good

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

who claimed it was stock? it had Drag pak, tune, pulled air filter and resonator replaced with an X. you make it sound like it's FBO.

It was faster for 2 laps and would be ahead for the 3rd lap. After 3 laps the ZL1 would take the lead for good

Because the whole point of this conversation was keeping stock vs. stock....or at worst case, a tune/tires...

However, it was far more than that....

And again, as Blaq has repeatedly said, this is all being done in the winter, when every car will be great on a well prepped track. Do this in the dead heat of drag racing season and you will NOT replicate those numbers.... not even close..

As for the MT article, my whole point was that after 1 lap, the car was pretty much hosed....

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

who claimed it was stock? it had Drag pak, tune, pulled air filter and resonator replaced with an X. you make it sound like it's FBO.

It was faster for 2 laps and would be ahead for the 3rd lap. After 3 laps the ZL1 would take the lead for good

It fell behind the ZL1 on the third lap. So it was faster for 2 laps and slower on the third...not after the third.

The GT500 clearly was faster. It took 2 out of 3 laps which is impressive. But, it is a GT500. It is always going to either put up a good fight or win against the Camaros. This time around Ford has had a good amount of time to bring something out to beat the ZL1. So I suspect it will and I won't be surprised if it does. I will be very disappointed if it doesn't. So basically all eyes are on Ford right now. They really have to deliver and deliver good. The only thing I could see raining on the parade is if GM pulls a sneak move and ups the ZL1 for 2019. I don't think they will tho. We will have a fight on our hands.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Because the whole point of this conversation was keeping stock vs. stock....or at worst case, a tune/tires...

However, it was far more than that....

And again, as Blaq has repeatedly said, this is all being done in the winter, when every car will be great on a well prepped track. Do this in the dead heat of drag racing season and you will NOT replicate those numbers.... not even close...

the point of the conversation was that Blaq said he doubted the 11.3 could be duplicated which is why I posted the video of the 11.26 car...the 11.3x car was drag pak and tune also.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It fell behind the ZL1 on the third lap. So it was faster for 2 laps and slower on the third...not after the third.

yes, in a 3 lap race the gt500 would win, 4 laps it would lose.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

yes, in a 3 lap race the gt500 would win, 4 laps it would lose.

In a 3 lap race, it LOST. It won the first two laps, but lost the 3rd...

Additionally, this is a pro driver putting up top notch times. The cars were still close enough where one mistake, one slightly bad brake, and boom... the ZL1 was ahead...

[mlee]

I wonder if these cars had stock brake fluid in them. If so I don't think either of them would have lasted many more laps.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

In a 3 lap race, it LOST. It won the first two laps, but lost the 3rd...

Additionally, this is a pro driver putting up top notch times. The cars were still close enough where one mistake, one slightly bad brake, and boom... the ZL1 was ahead...

It WON after three laps. The GT500 was .51 ahead after the first lap. It was up by about .75 after 2 laps. On the 3rd lap, it was .1 seconds behind the ZL1 time, meaning Ilit was still ~.6 seconds ahead. At that pace, it would probably take another 3 laps or so before it would get over taken by the ZL1.

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