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jbassking · 04-17-2018, 07:33 PM

I finally completed my cam swap and took the car for a drive. The engine light was on so I took it to get a scan. Below are the screen shots from the scanner.

I sent the PCM to TSP to install a tune based on the components I bought from them. Stage 1 Cam, D & D Delete, and headers with a cat delete.

Overall the engine runs really bad... but you can tell from the codes.

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pyroguy · 04-17-2018, 07:36 PM

Have you tuned the car yet? If so, it appears as though something is off on the tune and/or something isn't hooked up correctly.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-17-2018, 08:00 PM

I would send those screen shots to TSP and get on the phone with them ASAP.... If I were you....

jbassking · 04-17-2018, 08:06 PM

I'm going to call TSP first thing in the morning.

Avenging Orange · 04-17-2018, 10:12 PM

Nothing beats a proper dyno tune.

silversleeper · 04-18-2018, 02:11 PM

I really envy TSP trying to figure out what sensor was disconnected or harness not fully plugged in or ground wire not connected etc over the phone.

jbassking · 04-18-2018, 02:56 PM

@silversleeper, I was asking a question. Notice there was a ? mark.
If a missing ground is possible or something not fully plugged in, you could have simply suggested that.

TSP suggested that a main plug to the PCM might not be fully seated so I'm going to try that when I get home.

silversleeper · 04-18-2018, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbassking

@silversleeper, I was asking a question. Notice there was a ? mark.
If a missing ground is possible or something not fully plugged in, you could have simply suggested that.

TSP suggested that a main plug to the PCM might not be fully seated so I'm going to try that when I get home.

Yes, but tech support via phone is like being waterboarded. Please criticize me after you find the problem and I was wrong

Sorry I tried to help you for free and you can't see it from a different perspective.
I'm not a certified mechanic and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express so you probably shouldn't listen to me anyhow

sscamaro · 04-18-2018, 04:24 PM

Best ls motor tuner is Jeremy Formato in Lutz,Florida.

Phone # 813-476-7364 Tell him Ralph from PA sent you.

jbassking · 04-18-2018, 05:52 PM

I unplugged the PCM like TSP suggested and plugged it back in. The engine light is off now but it runs really, really bad. It stalls more times than not.

The only wire that I do NOT have plugged in is for the AFM system since I did a DOD delete.

It feels like the car isn't running on all cylinders. I definitely have less power than before the cam and headers.

I even tried OnStar to see what codes there are and they said there are no codes.

I wonder if the AFM was not turned off when they applied the tune.

Candr3535 · 04-18-2018, 06:07 PM

Ding ding

jbassking · 04-18-2018, 06:33 PM

I used an infrared thermometer and it looks like cylinders 5 & 6 are running 70-100 degrees cooler than the others.

InFiD3ViL · 04-18-2018, 07:52 PM

Double check or reseat all of those coil wires, plug wires, injector wires, especially 5/6 like you said.

I would start one section at a time and reseat every damn cable or wire you see if you have to.

It would be helpful if you could find out if 5/6 have spark.

jbassking · 04-20-2018, 06:23 PM

After checking all the wires several times I figured I would try and get a scan even though the engine light wasn't on.

And this is what I got...

"Lost Communication With Engine Control Module / Powertrain Control Module "A"
CONFIRMED"

04-17-2018, 07:33 PM	#1
jbassking Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 99	Bad tune? I finally completed my cam swap and took the car for a drive. The engine light was on so I took it to get a scan. Below are the screen shots from the scanner. I sent the PCM to TSP to install a tune based on the components I bought from them. Stage 1 Cam, D & D Delete, and headers with a cat delete. Overall the engine runs really bad... but you can tell from the codes.

04-17-2018, 07:36 PM	#2
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,919 View My Garage	Have you tuned the car yet? If so, it appears as though something is off on the tune and/or something isn't hooked up correctly. __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

04-17-2018, 08:00 PM	#3
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,495	I would send those screen shots to TSP and get on the phone with them ASAP.... If I were you.... __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-17-2018, 10:12 PM	#5
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	Nothing beats a proper dyno tune. __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

04-18-2018, 04:24 PM	#9
sscamaro Drives: 2010 2SS, 2017 Silverado LTZ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver,PA Posts: 3,195 View My Garage	Best ls motor tuner is Jeremy Formato in Lutz,Florida. Phone # 813-476-7364 Tell him Ralph from PA sent you. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Victory Red, MN6, 1-7/8 Kooks LT Headers, SLP Axle Back, Edelbrock E-Force S/C, ZL1 Fuel Pump, 72# Injectors, JRE fuel rail upgrade, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite Catch Can, Billet Hurst Shifter, DSS 1000HP axles, Spohn Trailing Arms, Toe Links, Lower Control Arms. Chrome American Racing Torq-Thrust wheels. 546/rwhp & 522/rwtq & 10.9# boost Tune by Jeremy Formato.

04-17-2018, 08:06 PM	#4
jbassking Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 99	I'm going to call TSP first thing in the morning.

04-18-2018, 02:11 PM	#6
silversleeper Big Crow Drives: '13 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: California Posts: 1,486	I really envy TSP trying to figure out what sensor was disconnected or harness not fully plugged in or ground wire not connected etc over the phone.

04-18-2018, 02:56 PM	#7
jbassking Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 99	@silversleeper, I was asking a question. Notice there was a ? mark. If a missing ground is possible or something not fully plugged in, you could have simply suggested that. TSP suggested that a main plug to the PCM might not be fully seated so I'm going to try that when I get home.

04-18-2018, 05:52 PM	#10
jbassking Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 99	I unplugged the PCM like TSP suggested and plugged it back in. The engine light is off now but it runs really, really bad. It stalls more times than not. The only wire that I do NOT have plugged in is for the AFM system since I did a DOD delete. It feels like the car isn't running on all cylinders. I definitely have less power than before the cam and headers. I even tried OnStar to see what codes there are and they said there are no codes. I wonder if the AFM was not turned off when they applied the tune.

04-18-2018, 06:07 PM	#11
Candr3535 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Triple Black Vert M6 #5591 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Galloway,NJ Posts: 747 View My Garage	Ding ding __________________ 695 RWHP / 660 RWTQ @ 13.5 PSI Dyna-Tech Headers Ceramic Coated w/Super Flo Cats, JRE Custom Rough Idle Racing Cam Package and 125 RWHP Pulley Kit w/ 28% pulley, Custom Tune by Ted, ID850 injectors, JMS Fuel Booster, NGK Plugs, MSD Plug Wires, Roto-Fab CAI, Roto-Fab Big Gulp, Elite Catch Can, Mild to Wild, 90mm VMaxx Ported Throttle Body, Skip Shift Elim., D3 Coolant Resevoir, Separated Clutch Resevoir, and Fuzzy Red Dice..

04-18-2018, 06:33 PM	#12
jbassking Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 99	I used an infrared thermometer and it looks like cylinders 5 & 6 are running 70-100 degrees cooler than the others.

04-18-2018, 07:52 PM	#13
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,575	Double check or reseat all of those coil wires, plug wires, injector wires, especially 5/6 like you said. I would start one section at a time and reseat every damn cable or wire you see if you have to. It would be helpful if you could find out if 5/6 have spark. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

04-20-2018, 06:23 PM	#14
jbassking Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 99	After checking all the wires several times I figured I would try and get a scan even though the engine light wasn't on. And this is what I got... "Lost Communication With Engine Control Module / Powertrain Control Module "A" CONFIRMED"