Z28 or ZL1

[Darkflow]

I agree with you there, all of us performance enthusiasts are winning in the end. Each company seems to be delivering the best they can at this point in time.

[SilverTurtle]

how about modifying the poll a bit to add a "I'd like to see both" option... because while I think I'm more interested in a ZL1, if there was a Z28 'vert, that could easily sway me to the Z28.

I'm all for the ZL1 being a hardtop, manual only car... and then there being a Z28 between the SS and ZL1 and it being offered as a coupe and a 'vert, with there being a manual and automatic transmission.

although, as I write this, the current state of affairs at the "other" camp is to have a top of the line available in coupe and convertible, the lighter, less powerful car offered only as a coupe, and then everything else being offered with all options... so a ZL1 'vert with an automatic would pretty much steal the market for those that wanted high horsepower and ease of driving... and any extra sale of a car like that just makes the price of building it that much lower overall.

either way, I'd like to see both trim levels offered.

[SIXJAK]

The ZL1 IMO is the right name for that car. That said they should bring the Z28 back. But it needs to come back with the same goal and direction the first one had.

IMO it needs to have either a potent 5.0L alluminum V8 or a FI 3.6 V6 putting down around 450 WHP. The car needs to be a track beast. And if happens to run low 12's-high 11's at the other track, so be it.

I doubt it's possible with this platform to get under the Mustang's weight and still have a car with competive creature comforts but it should be feasable to get within 50-100 lbs without breaking the bank.

It would break with tradition by not using a V8 but given the current threat of rising oil prices, it might be the better choice and my personal preference.. I know I know. I'm in the minority but hear me out.

I'm just spitballing here but maybe make the Z28 the top of the range for the 3.6 motor and introduce an introductory V8. So you have LS, 1LT and Z28 with the Z28 truly showcasing the power potential of the LLT 3.6 L motor along with significant weight savings and superior weight distribution. Not only could it slay the BOSS but it could top the 370Z, G37, Genesis coupe, all 1 and 3 series even the M's.

For the V8 range you have 2LT, SS, ZL1 which is of course the ultimate expression of the V8 platform and let Ford, ChryCo and even NISSAN with it's GTR choke on that as well as tools piloting their AMG's and Ferarri's.

Make the RS package available on the 1LT the 2LT and the SS models which would include the outside appearance package, the gage cluster inside and an upscale stereo. I think it would also be cool to have a more understated V8 without the mailslot. Let that be an SS only item.

Let the flaming begin....

[SQUALO]

Originally Posted by SIXJAK

The ZL1 IMO is the right name for that car. That said they should bring the Z28 back. But it needs to come back with the same goal and direction the first one had.

IMO it needs to have either a potent 5.0L alluminum V8 or a FI 3.6 V6 putting down around 450 WHP. The car needs to be a track beast. And if happens to run low 12's-high 11's at the other track, so be it.

I doubt it's possible with this platform to get under the Mustang's weight and still have a car with competive creature comforts but it should be feasable to get within 50-100 lbs without breaking the bank.

It would break with tradition by not using a V8 but given the current threat of rising oil prices, it might be the better choice and my personal preference.. I know I know. I'm in the minority but hear me out.

I'm just spitballing here but maybe make the Z28 the top of the range for the 3.6 motor and introduce an introductory V8. So you have LS, 1LT and Z28 with the Z28 truly showcasing the power potential of the LLT 3.6 L motor along with significant weight savings and superior weight distribution. Not only could it slay the BOSS but it could top the 370Z, G37, Genesis coupe, all 1 and 3 series even the M's.

For the V8 range you have 2LT, SS, ZL1 which is of course the ultimate expression of the V8 platform and let Ford, ChryCo and even NISSAN with it's GTR choke on that as well as tools piloting their AMG's and Ferarri's.

Make the RS package available on the 1LT the 2LT and the SS models which would include the outside appearance package, the gage cluster inside and an upscale stereo. I think it would also be cool to have a more understated V8 without the mailslot. Let that be an SS only item.

Let the flaming begin....

100+ % I hope GM is listening. (Calling GM, are you there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?)
I have to admit I never thought of a high performance V6, but that works for me too...it's all about the HP in the end.

[OldJedi]

The car that GM built for Jay Leno was a 425HP twin turbo V-6 that Leno said should be the next Z28. This is something that will appeal to some people I am sure but it is not what I was looking for in my Camaro. I do not know what weight savings the TT V-6 would give you over the LSA but it might be enough to make a 200 pound diference and really change the front/rear weight distribution. I really do not see Chevy selling a stripped version of the Camaro to compete with the Laguna Seca Mustang. The SSX will most likey be the answer to that model. The Boss 302 will have all of the comfort ammenities of the GT with better engine and suspension. Without any numbers being posted yet I will give the ZL1 the benefit of the doubt and say that it can hang with the Boss until I am proven wrong. The S/C ZL1 is exactly what I wanted and I would not have been interested in a TT V-6 even if it was called Z28.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by radz28

I can't say I disagree with hardly any of these points, lol. My signature agrees

Thanks Chuck, I still owe you a drink.

[Blown355]

GM, if you're listening. PLEASE don't give me a new Z28 with two cylinders missing!!!

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Blown355

GM, if you're listening. PLEASE don't give me a new Z28 with two cylinders missing!!!

Absolutely!! I'm right there with you on that one.
Clyde

[calbert1999]

I don't know why everyone is so confused about the Camaro ZL1; This car is NOT a GM product, it is a Camaro modified by SLP, go to the SLP website. SLP markets these cars a some kind of limited edition badging, but realistically they're just mod'ed Camaros'.

SLP Home Page:
http://www.slponline.com/main.asp

SLP Camaro ZL site:
http://slpcamaro.com/

SLP Camaro Brochure (Download)
http://slpcamaro.com/zl-models/brochure-download/

Anyone with a 2010+ Camaro SS can have their vehicle modified with the same parts being used by SLP to mod the ZL's.
The ZL1 name is just the marketing spin for what GM will warranty after SLP mods the car, and a price gouge with a certificate and a special # assigned.
I recall seeing the brochures in May 2010. Now suddenly there is a GM ZL1 Camaro. Give me a break with all the $$$ grab non-sense.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

I don't know why everyone is so confused about the Camaro ZL1; This car is NOT a GM product, it is a Camaro modified by SLP, go to the SLP website. SLP markets these cars a some kind of limited edition badging, but realistically they're just mod'ed Camaros'.

SLP Home Page:
http://www.slponline.com/main.asp

SLP Camaro ZL site:
http://slpcamaro.com/

SLP Camaro Brochure (Download)
http://slpcamaro.com/zl-models/brochure-download/

Anyone with a 2010+ Camaro SS can have their vehicle modified with the same parts being used by SLP to mod the ZL's.
The ZL1 name is just the marketing spin for what GM will warranty after SLP mods the car, and a price gouge with a certificate and a special # assigned.
I recall seeing the brochures in May 2010. Now suddenly there is a GM ZL1 Camaro. Give me a break with all the $$$ grab non-sense.

Obviously you are the one confused here, the current 2011 ZL1 is put together by SLP, the 2012 ZL1 will be a completely in house GM product. After 2011, SLP will no longer be offering a version called ZL1.
Clyde

[Caliman93230]

I would think GM is going to bring back the z28 on the alpha platform, the z28 is about handling performance, rigth now the camaro is too much of a porker to be any good for some serious trans am performance, hopefully GM can get the camaro to be round the mustang weight, or something around 3500 pounds. Zl1 is an attempt to get the current camaros fat ass of the line with the help of the supercharger will see if the magnetic ride does it any good but with the added weight is kinda a shot in the foot, might as well had the car be an all wheel drive to get some decent performance, now that camaro is bringing in some decent kinda money GM should realy build performance platform specific to the camaro, will see

[badapple]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

I don't know why everyone is so confused about the Camaro ZL1; This car is NOT a GM product, it is a Camaro modified by SLP, go to the SLP website. SLP markets these cars a some kind of limited edition badging, but realistically they're just mod'ed Camaros'.

SLP Home Page:
http://www.slponline.com/main.asp

SLP Camaro ZL site:
http://slpcamaro.com/

SLP Camaro Brochure (Download)
http://slpcamaro.com/zl-models/brochure-download/

Anyone with a 2010+ Camaro SS can have their vehicle modified with the same parts being used by SLP to mod the ZL's.
The ZL1 name is just the marketing spin for what GM will warranty after SLP mods the car, and a price gouge with a certificate and a special # assigned.
I recall seeing the brochures in May 2010. Now suddenly there is a GM ZL1 Camaro. Give me a break with all the $$$ grab non-sense.

the two zl1's you are referring to have nothing to do with eachother. basically the slp is a decoy, where as the 2012 is the REAL DEAL.

[St33lsinger]

Originally Posted by SQUALO

Basically, I think the Z28 should be the most powerful Camaro without a supercharger,
that can be produced. They have to be able to be enjoyed on the road, and compete at the track, with
AUTOMATIC & MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS AVAILABLE...PERIOD, END OF STORY!

PLEASE BRING BACK THE Z28 NAMEPLATE!

I totally agree. Dodge and Ford have both up'ed thier horsepower but GM still has good power plants they can use for the Z-28 without superchaging. But thats only 1st part of the total car. It shouldn't be a PIG (like the dodges) but it shouldn't be jumpy either (like the ford).

GM your on the right track.
LT-LS= Baseline Camaro owner
SS= Street Stumpen' Cruiser (does need a bump in HP)
Z28= Camaro Enthusiast (drives on the street and track)
ZL1= The bad-ass Ultimate answer to what the other guys have.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

Thanks Chuck, I still owe you a drink.

Originally Posted by Blown355

GM, if you're listening. PLEASE don't give me a new Z28 with two cylinders missing!!!

If Z28 turns out to be a TT V6, I'll sheet my pants. That would be an utter tragedy...

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Obviously you are the one confused here, the current 2011 ZL1 is put together by SLP, the 2012 ZL1 will be a completely in house GM product. After 2011, SLP will no longer be offering a version called ZL1.
Clyde

That car won't be near the value-for-the-dollar the REAL ZL1 will be.

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

I would think GM is going to bring back the z28 on the alpha platform, the z28 is about handling performance, rigth now the camaro is too much of a porker to be any good for some serious trans am performance, hopefully GM can get the camaro to be round the mustang weight, or something around 3500 pounds. Zl1 is an attempt to get the current camaros fat ass of the line with the help of the supercharger will see if the magnetic ride does it any good but with the added weight is kinda a shot in the foot, might as well had the car be an all wheel drive to get some decent performance, now that camaro is bringing in some decent kinda money GM should realy build performance platform specific to the camaro, will see

Yeah - CTS-V is complete rubbish That's a big 'ole car, too, but it's the second fastest sedan, behind a car that's like $40K MORE!!! No - I'm not saying weight isn't a significant factor to a perforamnce vehicle, but some people just won't let it go. Many supercars are pretty high in weight, but them manages out-of-this-world performance. I do hope CAMARO loses weight with the 6th Gen, but some people are so quick to dismiss CAMARO because of the weight.

Because of the introduction of the next generation EPS and MR on ZL1, I'm second guessing a possible introduction of a 5th Gen Z28 with a Gen V small block. I can see a mid-5-liter V8 with DI and power in the mid-to-higher 400 range and I think with MR, aero', and chassis improvements from ZL1, I think it would do GREAT against the Supervisor - I mean Boss. That's a mean car, but I know GM could make it happen. I worry, though, time is running out on the 5th Gen platform. They DID say they're always looking for opportunities to compete, though...