2017 Ford GT, now. . . with specs

[Johnny Mac]

Gorgeous car, it should've had a V8.
Ford like the rest of them have fuel milage rules, maybe the thinking is look it's good enough for our halo car. Now Joe six pack you can have the same engine in your pickup.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

You do realize that when the 488 was released (March 2015 in Geneva), GT had already been quite the way along its development track (debuting in January 2015 in Detroit).

I know, Ford, those fools, not using the time machine we all know they have to baseline a car that debuted 2 months after theirs.

How dare they baseline a supercar that was current and available at the time.

Really?

Common sense would tell you if you benchmark a current car while building a future car you need to well surpass that benchmark. As a replacement will obviously be out before the on sale date.

$400,000 car debuts, competitors base car surpasses it from day one. Competitors track focused car due out a few months after, will even further distance itself...

Sorry, but no matter how you twist it, it makes Ford look bad when they are charging this kinda coin for this car they was said to be the benchmark in the category months ago.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

You don't need a time machine.

Take the first generation of the competitors model you're benchmarking against and lay out its specs. Then do the same thing for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Take those data points and make a trend line to predict what the next generation is probably going to be like.

Repeat with other competitors to get a more reliable picture of where the segment is heading.

It won't be exact, but it will give you an extremely good target. Much better than assuming that nothing will ever be better than whats currently available.

Exactly.

[The camaro show]

v6 engines are the best all around,they will beat many v8s.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by The camaro show

v6 engines are the best all around...

Keep telling yourself that lol.

Ford used the EcoBoost V6 to highlight their EcoBoost technologies. This was said in Motor Trend during an interview with a GT engineer.

[sherob]

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

The GT500 team will not care. It will have gobs of power, and will still be banging curbs at car meets.

... and mowing down bystanders...

[khell86]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Anything is salty to you if it's about Ford and if it's somewhat negative.

Based on numbers, it's another overhyped Ford product. Add it to the list along with the Focus RS and Mustang.. I do like how all of the cars look at least.. The Ford GT is absolutely gorgeous. They just seem to talk about how it will perform, how much it'll weigh, etc. etc., then they don't seem to hit those targets.

You can add the F150 to the list as well probably. While I like my truck, the aluminum thing was overhyped. Look at the tests. It barely weighs any less than the Silverado.

Based on the numbers it'll perform admirably. It did those numbers on a very precise and slow track. On a faster track it'll shine.

As for the F-150, it was more about performance metrics, which it blows the competition away in all categories. Take it as however you want to though.

[Grabber]

Food for thought, for those claiming they need real-time numbers.

Source:

http://performance.ford.com/enthusia...top-speed.html

Ford GT: 2:09.8

McLaren 675LT: 2:10.88

Ferrari 458 Speciale: 2:12.9

Impressive, but, the Ford GT is expensive.

Ford GT - Estimated @ $450,000.
Weight - 3,250ish
HP - 647HP / 550TQ
Engine - TT V6

Mclaren 675LT - Estimated @ $349,000
Weight - 3,050 (dry)
HP - 666HP / 516TQ
Engine - TT V8

Ferrari 458 Speciale - Estimated @ $300,000
Weight - 3,078 (Dry)
HP - 597HP / 398TQ
Engine - V8

Over a second faster than the McLaren on a ~2 minute track and two seconds faster than the Ferrari.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Really?

Common sense would tell you if you benchmark a current car while building a future car you need to well surpass that benchmark. As a replacement will obviously be out before the on sale date.

$400,000 car debuts, competitors base car surpasses it from day one. Competitors track focused car due out a few months after, will even further distance itself...

Sorry, but no matter how you twist it, it makes Ford look bad when they are charging this kinda coin for this car they was said to be the benchmark in the category months ago.



Exactly.

You do have a point.
[sarcasm]
I imagine Ford will see all of these cars go unsold as all the potential buyers pick up 488's instead.
[/sarcasm]


On a more serious note I think Ford should have opened the 3.5 up to its designed limit of 4.0L. That would have made a health increase in output without compromising the aero, weight, and overall packaging.

[ChefBorOzzy]

McLaren 675LT does not weigh 3,050 dry.. It's lighter. That's basically its weight as delivered.

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

McLaren 675LT does not weigh 3,050 dry.. It's lighter. That's basically its weight as delivered.

Source?

Considering the Ford GT is advertised as a bit over 3,000LBS and you're saying it is over 3,300 with fluids/fuel.

Does this mean the C7 Z06 that has a "curb weight" of 3,5xx is actually over 3,800LBS with fluids/fuel?

Care to elaborate why ONLY the Ford GT has a dry weight, but, every other car in existence has fluids and fuel factored in? I'm curious, truly.

Horsepowerkings just released an article today stating the price of the Ford GT is actually around $397,000 and weigh's around 2,890LBS. Still, you're not getting close to 3,300-3,400LBS as you stated with fluids/fuels IMO.

Either way, think about the power/weight of what the ZL1/Z28 does, now, take out about 700-800LBS, toss in a more aerodynamic car with better suspension/handling. The Ford GT may just become a monster as those two cars are.

[Grabber]

Also - Here's what I just pulled from Mclaren's website.

DIN Weight - 2,927LB
DRY Weight - 1,230KB or, 2,706LBS.

So, with fuel/fluids, it gains approx. 221LBS and it has a 19 Gallon fuel tank.

The Ford GT has a 15.2 gallon fuel tank and from the "estimated" dry weight of 2,980 LBS, it somehow gains over 300LBS per your formula with a smaller tank compared to the Mclaren 675LT.

Curious.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Grabber

Also - Here's what I just pulled from Mclaren's website.

DIN Weight - 2,927LB
DRY Weight - 1,230KB or, 2,706LBS.

So, with fuel/fluids, it gains approx. 221LBS and it has a 19 Gallon fuel tank.

The Ford GT has a 15.2 gallon fuel tank and from the "estimated" dry weight of 2,980 LBS, it somehow gains over 300LBS per your formula with a smaller tank compared to the Mclaren 675LT.

Curious.

DIN weight is basically US curb weight.. Road and Track tested the car as they stated "Ready to Drive" at 2,982 pounds.

No need to estimate Ford GT DRY weight.. The Ford GT per FORD weighs 3,054 DRY WEIGHT. It's 3,173 with fluids, but without fuel. GT weighs 3,267 with a full tank of gas.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

You do have a point.
[sarcasm]
I imagine Ford will see all of these cars go unsold as all the potential buyers pick up 488's instead.
[/sarcasm]


On a more serious note I think Ford should have opened the 3.5 up to its designed limit of 4.0L. That would have made a health increase in output without compromising the aero, weight, and overall packaging.

Believe me, I'm not knocking the car, the GT is an awesome machine, but it is not going to be at the top of that heap with how that worked out...

Not sure why they didn't, maybe revs? But in all honesty I was kinda thinking this thing would have had at least over 700 ponies. Maybe another version with more boost or something is in the pipeline in a year or so, who knows.

Lucky for Ford buyers in that category usually have multiple cars, so they may have a 488, 675 and a GT in their garage...

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Grabber

Source?

Considering the Ford GT is advertised as a bit over 3,000LBS and you're saying it is over 3,300 with fluids/fuel.

Does this mean the C7 Z06 that has a "curb weight" of 3,5xx is actually over 3,800LBS with fluids/fuel?

Care to elaborate why ONLY the Ford GT has a dry weight, but, every other car in existence has fluids and fuel factored in? I'm curious, truly.

Horsepowerkings just released an article today stating the price of the Ford GT is actually around $397,000 and weigh's around 2,890LBS. Still, you're not getting close to 3,300-3,400LBS as you stated with fluids/fuels IMO.

Either way, think about the power/weight of what the ZL1/Z28 does, now, take out about 700-800LBS, toss in a more aerodynamic car with better suspension/handling. The Ford GT may just become a monster as those two cars are.

Source? I read the facts before I post on here typically... And definitely not something from Horsepower Kings.

As far as Dry weight, I have only seen super cars or some European manufacturers talk about Dry Weight to make it look better. GM along with Ford display the WET weight of all their cars on their websites... Except Ford GT.

Also, I never said it weighs over 3,300 pounds..