Has this comparison been posted yet? Subaru STI vs ZL1 on Nurburgring

[grocerygetter]

Acutally, I would love to have a WRX for a daily if I could make it work. STI is a little too much beat you to death/weekend race car IMO.

[Steve Dallas]

OK, never expected this to become a front page link...

[Mikamaro]

Originally Posted by grocerygetter

You guys are not very educated on subarus. An sti is an animal. Rally car bred and freaking stout when it comes to durability. $34k gets u one. Stock vs an ss...out handles circles around an ss. Straight line...nod to the ss though. You throw 1200 at the Subie though...things get interesting.
I had a 2006 sti, I know.

I don't agree with you and neither does most track reviews. I f you need I can point you to track times real quick...

[SGOS252382]

STi's are cool cars. I owned an 04 STI and it handled great in the twisties.

With only 305hp, a stock STi would never stand a chance against most cars (1LE, ZL1, etc) on a track such as the Nurburgring.

Today, I read an article about how the Subaru is going back to the 2.0 Turbo (vs. 2.5 turbo currently used).
The WRX should have close to 300 hp in the near future. Not sure what kind of HP the STi will end up with.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by jcamere94z28

I was impressed by the Subaru as well! with that much HP difference the Subaru didn't do bad at all...

Does anybody actually know what the HP of that prototype car was?

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

OK, never expected this to become a front page link...

Slow C7 news week.

tramtwo posted this on the go

[Jeff65SS]

Originally Posted by hognutz

Does anybody actually know what the HP of that prototype car was?

Subaru said that it was making 320hp.

[Mikamaro]

QUOTED FROM ''http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ing-lap-record''

The stickler is that the Subaru in question wasn’t a production car. It was, in the words of the company, a 2011 Impreza WRX STI prototype. The car is basically the bastard child of two JDM-only models with some extra bespoke aero bits thrown in for slipperiness and high-speed stability.

The car starts with the suspension from the improved-for-2011 WRX STI—it’s 5 mm lower than the 2010 model, with 1-mm-thicker front and rear anti-roll bars, higher-rate springs all around, stiffer rear-subframe bushings, and new front-suspension pillow-ball bushings. The engine is the Japanese-market STI spec.c’s, a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer-four that’s been given the larger turbo from the R205, another Japanese special-edition STI model. It’s now putting out a claimed 320 hp.

The R205 also donates six-piston front brakes and a front strut-tower brace; it features a flexible center portion that allows vertical motion but maintains lateral stiffness. Weight is saved through the use of an aluminum hood from the spec.c, unique aluminum front fenders, the spec.c’s smaller battery, and the deletion of the radio as in the R205 and spec.c.

Extra aero parts specific to this car include a full undertray, a front-lip extension tacked onto the R205’s lower spoiler, and a Gurney flap added—taped, really—to the rear at Mäkinen’s request. (The car was getting a bit out of shape without it in the high-speed sections.) A full roll cage and race buckets fitted with a five-point harness for the driver and a four-point for the passenger make things safe.

[b20]

would like to see a 1le time

[cornerspeed92]

Man would that be cool to know the track like that and be able to run those cornerspeeds(sorry had to especially that last 170 mph section.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mikamaro

QUOTED FROM ''http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ing-lap-record''

The stickler is that the Subaru in question wasn’t a production car. It was, in the words of the company, a 2011 Impreza WRX STI prototype. The car is basically the bastard child of two JDM-only models with some extra bespoke aero bits thrown in for slipperiness and high-speed stability.

The car starts with the suspension from the improved-for-2011 WRX STI—it’s 5 mm lower than the 2010 model, with 1-mm-thicker front and rear anti-roll bars, higher-rate springs all around, stiffer rear-subframe bushings, and new front-suspension pillow-ball bushings. The engine is the Japanese-market STI spec.c’s, a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer-four that’s been given the larger turbo from the R205, another Japanese special-edition STI model. It’s now putting out a claimed 320 hp.

The R205 also donates six-piston front brakes and a front strut-tower brace; it features a flexible center portion that allows vertical motion but maintains lateral stiffness. Weight is saved through the use of an aluminum hood from the spec.c, unique aluminum front fenders, the spec.c’s smaller battery, and the deletion of the radio as in the R205 and spec.c.

Extra aero parts specific to this car include a full undertray, a front-lip extension tacked onto the R205’s lower spoiler, and a Gurney flap added—taped, really—to the rear at Mäkinen’s request. (The car was getting a bit out of shape without it in the high-speed sections.) A full roll cage and race buckets fitted with a five-point harness for the driver and a four-point for the passenger make things safe.

So it was a racecar. This just proves that GM did wonders with the ZL1.

[ernie scar]

Originally Posted by ThaCamaroKid

I wouldn't say these two are directly comparable... not stock anyway's, the STI is a great car. I am not sure where the guy above me got 51k but in America a WRX STI cost like 34k before any options. Great price, great car.

I do seem to noticed a difference between drivers I think somebody touched on that subject though

That’s the problem with living in Canada; we get screwed on the price of vehicles.

If you go to the GM Canada web site and build a ZL1, the price without the taxes or options is over $60K, and because I live in Ontario you have to add on 13% sales tax to the cost of the vehicle. 13% of 60K is $7800.00.

Go to the GM Canada web site and build your ZL1 with the options you have on it. The price that comes out does not have the taxes added to it. Also they throw in a bunch of fees on top of that price, which are about $600.00.

Also since I am Canadian I cannot purchase a vehicle from the U.S. that is new. Only used vehicles are allowed for purchase, which means I would have to buy a ZL1 with someone else mileage on the car instead of my own.

This is not meant to start an argument; this is the reality of vehicle prices and rules in Canada.

Here is the real kicker of it all.
I live in the same province as these vehicles are produced.
There is only one Chevy dealership in the city I live in with a population of over a 100,000 people.
GM will only give the local dealership one allocation at a time, in order to get another one they have to actually have the papers signed saying the owner has bought the car.
And last but not least when you put your order in you are looking at anywhere from 6 months to a year to get the car.

[grocerygetter]

Originally Posted by Mikamaro

I don't agree with you and neither does most track reviews. I f you need I can point you to track times real quick...

Go ahead. Show me that the SS isn't quicker in the quarter and that the STI doesn't handle better. Stock vs stock. I've owned both...have you?

[cosmoZL1]

ZL1. Best American car built in 60 years. Period. Since when does a Subaru even compare to a ZL1? Any Camaro for that matter? Uh, let's see, how many ZL1 owners even thought of buying any Subaru? ZIP. Why it's here is the exact reason this site has lost so much credibility. Most people I ask anymore say they don't bother. Example why? Hmmm