2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by Vroom

Dodge gets 1st place on the drag strip, GM gets first place on the track...poor Ford..at least they had a year where they were best at something

The key fob thing is ridiculous though. Wait for all the stories of Hellcats crashed while people try to change the key fob while driving down the freeway...

You would never change the fob. You will always use the red one. The black one is a valet fob that limits HP to 500 and RPM to 4000. That fob will probably never leave the key hook in the pantry.

[BooSSted]

I don't see how anyone can shit on the GT500 or Ford; I'm by far no Ford fan. Out of the box these two cars will be close. And you can have a SuperSanke (850h+) for less than the Z28 and theoretically the Hellcat. For all those thinking hp is the only benchmark.

[BooSSted]

Originally Posted by McRat

I don't think so. It's an existing chassis, a pushrod engine, screw blower, etc. Unless they do something really trick to it, it's not going to cost a lot to build compared to Mustangs or Camaros.

My lotto number is $59,995.

PS - The Z/28 is not limited per se, it is 1.5 years. They will build as many as there are dealer orders. GM might be gaming the dealers though. Only 1/2 the 2014's have made it to dealers, even though production stopped 6/13.

There are 200+ of them sitting in a field in Canada. And that's just the 2014's. They have been building 2015's for 3 weeks now.

This creates a false demand. If there are 2000 buyers right now, they are fighting over the 200 available units. If there were 1000 available units (possible), dealers wouldn't order as many 2015's.

But it might bite them in the ass. Knowing that my car was built in mid 2014, but delivered with the 2015's, makes me want a 2015 instead. I don't imagine I'm the only one who would rather have a 1 year newer VIN at the same price. Plus, there are often little bugs that are hammered out over the first year of production.

I thought they had some revamped tech, brakes and suspension components which will drive cost drastically. Z/28 type money. Dodge would be smart to aim this directly at the ZL1 & GT500 with a sub 60K tag. If this all comes to fruition I will love Dodge for that power move.

[McRat]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

In 2008, Dodge set the record at Laguna Seca with a time of 1:33.92 in the Viper ACR.

Half a decade later, GM finally had a Corvette that can compete with the Viper. The ZR1. The ZR1 was marginally faster then the Gen IV Viper ACR with a time of 1:33.70. A win is a win, and the ZR1 was faster then the ACR and the 2013 Viper GTS.

SRT was not pleased with the results. So the TA came into existence, cheaper than the ZR1. (Price as tested for the ZR1 was $125,920. Price as tested for the TA was $116,000.) The TA beat the 2013 ZR1, marginally, but hey, a win is a win and the Viper remains at the top as the fasted production car at Laguna Seca.

And that is just the TA. Imagine how bad the next ACR is going to crush the Z06 with its big aero.

I'm not going to bet on that. More likely would be Dodge cutting the head off the Viper. It's not a money maker like the Vette is.

What is missing? Dodge can't field a LeMans competitor to the C7R. In March they pulled the plug. The 5th gen Viper GTS-R racecar did not do well against the competition.

Without LeMans (or at least other RR victories), it will be harder to sell Vipers against the competition.

The Viper has enjoyed a power-to-weight advantage over it's competition for most it's years of production. But that might not be the case in 2015.

The new Z06 will come in many flavors, unlike earlier versions. There will be track focused aero package options. The hot version of the Z06 is probably going pummel the 2014 Viper TA. Like the Z06's before it, they tend to be game changers.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The 650hp Vette would not run any better than the GT 500 with 662hp so I would think that the faster 8sp auto would not have an issue with Z06

Sorry, had to comment on this.

Do you honestly believe that simply due to HP ratings that the C7 Z06 with 650HP will not run any faster at the strip than a current GT500? Again...do you really believe that?

You do know there is a lot more at play in sports cars and muscle cars than just power right.

Dang....go do some learning and come back when you are ready son.

[dmginc]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Sorry, had to comment on this.

Do you honestly believe that simply due to HP ratings that the C7 Z06 with 650HP will not run any faster at the strip than a current GT500? Again...do you really believe that?

You do know there is a lot more at play in sports cars and muscle cars than just power right.

Dang....go do some learning and come back when you are ready son.

[shaffe]

Wow. That is impressive.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by khell86

The GT500 still has about a 600 lb weight advantage and is only down 45ish hp. It'll be a drivers race in good conditions.

I doubt it will be a drivers race. The Automatic car is going to destroy the 500/ZL1/Z28. I am sure Dodge has put the appropriate LC/TC system in this car which will allow it to hook and go. With 707-hp and the automatic I look for sub 11:50s on stock rubber and well into the 10s on DRs, throw 200+mph in there for good measures. Dodge said they were going to make a statement and they did just that by building the baddest muscle car of all time.
Now where is MEDICIN, hiding under a rock somewhere.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by McRat

I'm not going to bet on that. More likely would be Dodge cutting the head off the Viper. It's not a money maker like the Vette is.

What is missing? Dodge can't field a LeMans competitor to the C7R. In March they pulled the plug. The 5th gen Viper GTS-R racecar did not do well against the competition.

Without LeMans (or at least other RR victories), it will be harder to sell Vipers against the competition.

The Viper has enjoyed a power-to-weight advantage over it's competition for most it's years of production. But that might not be the case in 2015.

The new Z06 will come in many flavors, unlike earlier versions. There will be track focused aero package options. The hot version of the Z06 is probably going pummel the 2014 Viper TA. Like the Z06's before it, they tend to be game changers.

SRT didn't go to Le Mans because the race budget didn't increase over last year and they want to concentrate on GTLM class at TUDOR. Le Mans isn't a points race. SRT came 2nd and 3rd with two podium finishes last week. Very close race between the C7R and GTS-R.

The Viper TA is #1 right now. I would be severely disappointed if the next Z06 doesn't eclipse the Gen V TA's performance. I hope it does. It will only push SRT to develop an even more wild ACR. The Viper has a really good platform to work with, and the old ACR-X is a good teaser of the potential of the next ACR. It is a great time to be a car guy.

According to Chrysler's 5 year plan, 2015MY is a mid-cycle refresh and the gen V will last until 2018.

The Gen V's engineering goals were the following:

1. Build a lighter Viper
2. Provide modern refinement and an optional NVH package(GTS trim)
3. Provide the best handling Viper ever
4. Build a more powerful Viper
5. Optimize gear ratios for top performance and around-town drivability
6. Improve ergonomics and comfort
7. Provide world-class fit and finish
8. Update Viper to meet new safety standards
9. Collaborate with Viper race program to share street and racing technology
10. Build the fastest street-legal track car in the world

P.S. Corvette ZR1 and Z06 didn't exactly light the world on fire based on sales.

805 SRT Vipers built for 2013MY
471 Chevrolet Corvette Z06s built for 2013MY
482 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1s built for 2013MY

Viper:
2008MY — 1579
2009MY — 482
2010MY — 392

The Viper never exactly sold well.... Keep in mind the 2008-2010 numbers include convertible and ACR. 2013+ is coupe only. SRT was successful in getting higher transaction prices for the Viper.*

[King Sun]

Why can't we wait until it comes out and gets into consumers hands. These list wars are getting out of hand

[2012 ZL1#1658]

Can't wait to see one and hear how it sounds. Bet it will be spinning a lot of wheels.

[BooSSted]

Baddest muscle car of all time... lol; shits getting thicker by the post.

[McRat]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

SRT didn't go to Le Mans because the race budget didn't increase over last year and they want to concentrate on GTLM class at TUDOR. Le Mans isn't a points race. SRT came 2nd and 3rd with two podium finishes last week. Very close race between the C7R and GTS-R.

The Viper TA is #1 right now. I would be severely disappointed if the next Z06 doesn't eclipse the Gen V TA's performance. I hope it does. It will only push SRT to develop an even more wild ACR. The Viper has a really good platform to work with, and the old ACR-X is a good teaser of the potential of the next ACR. It is a great time to be a car guy.

According to Chrysler's 5 year plan, 2015MY is a mid-cycle refresh and the gen V will last until 2018.

The Gen V's engineering goals were the following:

1. Build a lighter Viper
2. Provide modern refinement and an optional NVH package(GTS trim)
3. Provide the best handling Viper ever
4. Build a more powerful Viper
5. Optimize gear ratios for top performance and around-town drivability
6. Improve ergonomics and comfort
7. Provide world-class fit and finish
8. Update Viper to meet new safety standards
9. Collaborate with Viper race program to share street and racing technology
10. Build the fastest street-legal track car in the world

P.S. Corvette ZR1 and Z06 didn't exactly light the world on fire based on sales.

805 SRT Vipers built for 2013MY
471 Chevrolet Corvette Z06s built for 2013MY
482 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1s built for 2013MY

Viper:
2008MY — 1579
2009MY — 482
2010MY — 392

The Viper never exactly sold well.... Keep in mind the 2008-2010 numbers include convertible and ACR. 2013+ is coupe only. SRT was successful in getting higher transaction prices for the Viper.*

For 2013, GM sold 953 hyper-performance trim Vettes. But they also sold 12,500 other trim levels to defray costs, something the Viper can't do. Little or nothing on the Viper is recycled to other models.

If the Z06 really does squeeze in at $75k without options, and it does outperform the Viper, that will hurt sales even more. But not because of just performance. The C7 body looks exotic, something the Viper had always used to it's advantage. It had the WOW! factor normally reserved for more expensive cars. The Stingray looks more exotic than the Viper now, and the Z06 always looks tricker than the base units.

I guess we will see.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by McRat

The C7 body looks exotic, something the Viper had always used to it's advantage. It had the WOW! factor normally reserved for more expensive cars. The Stingray looks more exotic than the Viper now, and the Z06 always looks tricker than the base units.

I guess we will see.

The Z06 looks like someone tacked everything from a J.C. WHITNEY catalog onto it.

A stingray looks more exotic then a Viper?