Why were my numbers lower?

[jcaligood]

Not sure how this turned into a "youre not full bolt on" discussion, but thanks for the serious replies.
I thought 445 for his mods seemed odd. Was just curious if i'm missing something, maybe SCT tuner is better due to fuel mapping (dynosteve said he couldnt do fuel mapping on my diablosport tuner) also, do our cars make more power cold or fully warmed up?

I'm happy with 428hp reguardless. Just looking to learn more.
Thanks guys.

[lazerlemonta]

Originally Posted by jcaligood

Not sure how this turned into a "youre not full bolt on" discussion, but thanks for the serious replies.
I thought 445 for his mods seemed odd. Was just curious if i'm missing something, maybe SCT tuner is better due to fuel mapping (dynosteve said he couldnt do fuel mapping on my diablosport tuner) also, do our cars make more power cold or fully warmed up?

I'm happy with 428hp reguardless. Just looking to learn more.
Thanks guys.

Cold your car is going to have tighter tolerances. Most guys run their cars as cold as they can get them. I have always found hot lapping mine to present the best results and that is likely due to your in a rhythm instead of waiting 30 minutes and trying to recall what worked and what didnt on launch (race is over in 330' the rest of the track your just pulling 2 gears and along for the ride after the 1/8). I made about 30 pulls tuning my 1LE in a period of 4 hours needless to say the last pulls were the final numbers with no cool down.

[lazerlemonta]

Originally Posted by Bo White

I was racing in 1987

You should know about rocker arms then. It is all about efficiency in the end. You can take a stock cam car and poorly modded after market cam car look like a fool. But he sounds good getting a milk shake at the DQ drive thru LOL

[big hammer]

Rockers were always considered bolt ons by the Old lt1 and 5.0 guys

[HioSSilver]

Yup....even on the old fox 5br0 bolt on lists. But furd guys are liberals on their mods and conservative on yours.

[WHAMMO]

Well I made 372rwhp with more boltons at the time; UD pulley, 2inch headers, NPP, custom Diablo tune, 1LE lighter wheels and electric power steering (stock lol). Those are some weak ass numbers!!
Anything with 'standard boltons' like you(LT /CAI /TUNE) dynoing over 420rwhp isnt normal to me, but its because Ive only to delt with harsh dyno all my life.

Your friend dynoed higher than my CAI, TSP 231 236, ported TB&IM, UDs, LTs and Pat G tuned car, 91oct. This is laughable at best. I bet it wont trap anywhere close to mine.

Dyno numbers are just that. ET and trap speed are the real way to measure power(and DA too).

My money is on you for a race against your buddy.

You need a lot more boltons to be full boltons, like E85, lighter clutch, lighter wheels, ported IM, gears, suspension, lightweight parts and maybe a one piece DS and some WR. And like Lazer said, electric PS and a vacuum pump. That would be a nice boltons list.

[zz430camaro]

Regular bolt ons like headers, CAI and PT on a DynoJet dyno are usually 425HP high side from looking at probably hundreds of readings.

[Bo White]

I called BS then and I call it BS now. If it touches oil it's not a bolt on. Modding factory parts is still factory. Degreeing a cam still uses stock parts. It's like the stock bottom end class I race in. You can flycut the pistons as long ass the pistons are stock. Start replacing parts then it's no longer stock.
That's it for me. I'm out.

[el Wulf]

5.0 & TBI's!?! Hell, I remember 440 Wedges, 351-C, 421-SD, 427 Turbo-Jets, 426 Hemi's all with assorted 2×4 bbl, 3×2 bbl, Hilborn injectors, 6-71's w/2×4 bbl all on cars still considered new in the early '70's.....of course, I was too young to drive, but that didn't stop me from turning a wrench at 10 years old~lol! What's funny is that I remember listening to my dad & all of my uncles talk about when their '32 Chevy's & '35 Ford coupes with Mercury flathead 8's, Oldsmobile Rocket, or Cadillac engines swapped in & all the mod's that where considered hi-tech back in the '50's.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Bo White

I called BS then and I call it BS now. If it touches oil it's not a bolt on. Modding factory parts is still factory. Degreeing a cam still uses stock parts. It's like the stock bottom end class I race in. You can flycut the pistons as long ass the pistons are stock. Start replacing parts then it's no longer stock.
That's it for me. I'm out.

The touches oil thing became a guidline for people on what a bolt on was. It’s not an absolute. Intakes on the older engines touch oil yet they’re bolt ons.

Generally a bolt on was something that a person of lower mechanical ability can accomplish at home in little time. Rockers take less time than headers. They’re easy and offer lower gains just like most bolt ons. Actually less in LS engines than they used to add in older SBC’s but easier to install

[HioSSilver]

The whole touches oil bs also takes a udp out of the equation since it technically touches oil.

Big Hammer is right on the money.

What i find funny is back in the day no one would even consider running stock rockers on cams the size we are seeing in stock cars these days. Now rockers are some kinda taboo

[acammer]

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

The whole touches oil bs also takes a udp out of the equation since it technically touches oil.

Big Hammer is right on the money.

What i find funny is back in the day no one would even consider running stock rockers on cams the size we are seeing in stock cars these days. Now rockers are some kinda taboo

How does the under-drive pulley touch oil?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by acammer

How does the under-drive pulley touch oil?

The inside of the hub does inside the seal

[lazerlemonta]

Originally Posted by acammer

How does the under-drive pulley touch oil?

This is why you have to put sealant in the key way slot on the pulley while installing. touches oil.......