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ShadowYYZ · 07-10-2016, 10:01 AM

Hi all, would it be to late to install a catch can..? I'm literally at 26k miles and well, maybe a few months ago I ghost read a thread about someone being denied warranty work for a catch can install. Not sure, what happen to that thread or situation but, would I still benefit from a catch can..? Or is it to late.. thanks

flyer08 · 07-10-2016, 10:13 AM

It's never to late. If you want to add one then add it. Not going to say you need it or not though

MrChrisLS3 · 07-10-2016, 10:33 AM

That thread was a really interesting one, and got a lot of people thinking. Long story short, he experienced the common, and TSB's oil pump failure on his LS3. Towed car to a Cadillac dealer. The dealer, unfamiliar with the LS3, did not recognize the catch can, sent pics to GM's Tech Assistance Center, and they blocked the warranty work due to aftermarket parts. He fixed the car himself.

I would highly recommend having a conversation with the service manager at your servicing dealership before making any changes.

Is it too late for a catch can? No, not on a direct injection engine. The valve coking is going to continue to get worse, and eventually pieces of the carbon will chip off. A catch can won't stop it completely, but it will slow the process down.

Dizzy82 · 07-10-2016, 10:51 AM

A catch can is a great investment into your engine if you plan on keeping the car for a while. The said dealership in that particular thread were morons.

JLSuperfly · 07-10-2016, 12:39 PM

Get a catch can now.

deweyg63 · 07-10-2016, 06:24 PM

Catch cans do work but I believe like many things they grew fast in popularity and it turned into a snowball effect. I've got a 2003 truck with no catch can and 230k miles with I'm sure a lot of deposits in the valve train. My Camaro has 55k and will never see 230k. Not worried....not wasting my time or money on a catch can

MrChrisLS3 · 07-10-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deweyg63

Catch cans do work but I believe like many things they grew fast in popularity and it turned into a snowball effect. I've got a 2003 truck with no catch can and 230k miles with I'm sure a lot of deposits in the valve train. My Camaro has 55k and will never see 230k. Not worried....not wasting my time or money on a catch can

True, but the op has a direct injection engine, which has a completely different issue with carbon build up than our port injected engines. For direct injection, a good catch can is almost vital to longer engine life.

Mr. Stacy · 07-10-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

True, but the op has a direct injection engine, which has a completely different issue with carbon build up than our port injected engines. For direct injection, a good catch can is almost vital to longer engine life.

Yup.

Royal Tiger · 07-10-2016, 08:47 PM

So not as vital on the 6.2L?

It's on my list, but after the new exhaust.

MrChrisLS3 · 07-10-2016, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

So not as vital on the 6.2L?

It's on my list, but after the new exhaust.

The injectors on port injection spray fuel almost directly on the back of the valves, essentially washing them of the oil vapor present from the PCV residue. The direct injection engines don't have this benefit, as the fuel is sprayed directly into the cylinder. The PCV residue remains on the back of the valve and valve stems and gets baked on by the heat. It's a well documented issue.

The port injection engine will benefit from a catch can as it does remove the majority of the oil from the PCV air, creating a cleaner air charge as well as keeping the intake cleaner.

Elite Engineering · 07-11-2016, 07:54 AM

MrChris is correct.

Most dealers are competent enough to not hassle you, and more and more are selling and installing these for customers. It just tales education. Also, keep in mind that instance is the ONLY documented instance of an Elite CC being blamed, and as the OP of the threads found out, the tech/dealer did not even diagnose his engine as being bad correctly. Pure ineptness all the way around. Tech, Service Manager, and GM for accepting their crazy claim.

One thing that is important is to perform a manual intake valve cleaning (NOT a solvent based engine running type!!) , and to make sure you install a E2 or E2-X with CSS AND the dual outlets/valves as all GDI engines are very intolerant of any oil and other contaminant ingestion.

Let us know if you need any guidance.

William.23 · 07-11-2016, 05:00 PM

I've taken my car to the dealership multiple times ( For Oil Changes ) A stabilitrak issue, and they tried bsing me for parts I didn't need...

Point being I installed my catch can @ 4k Miles, I'm now at 35k.
The dealership never noticed the catch can sticking out, maybe because I got it the same color as my car (White) so it looks stock/factory. Nor have they ever questioned or brought it to my attention.

Point being : Catch Can is necessary if you don't want your piston crowns, rings, etc building up with a bunch of gunk. That eventually you'll have to get a service to clean it out which = $$$.

So, preventing the amount of PCV oil/fluid that goes into your intake manifold is a must (So I believe, it doesn't start running into issues *due to build up*

How many 500 ml bottles have I filled up since my install with the Catch Can...
Probably between 10-15 full 500ml bottles - Which means all that crap would have gotten into my engine.

07-10-2016, 10:01 AM	#1
ShadowYYZ Drives: 2014 Camaro 2LT Deep Magenta Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 367	Catch can too late? Hi all, would it be to late to install a catch can..? I'm literally at 26k miles and well, maybe a few months ago I ghost read a thread about someone being denied warranty work for a catch can install. Not sure, what happen to that thread or situation but, would I still benefit from a catch can..? Or is it to late.. thanks

07-10-2016, 10:51 AM	#4
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07-10-2016, 10:13 AM	#2
flyer08 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,418	It's never to late. If you want to add one then add it. Not going to say you need it or not though

07-10-2016, 10:33 AM	#3
MrChrisLS3 Drives: 2018 1SS M6 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 2,617	That thread was a really interesting one, and got a lot of people thinking. Long story short, he experienced the common, and TSB's oil pump failure on his LS3. Towed car to a Cadillac dealer. The dealer, unfamiliar with the LS3, did not recognize the catch can, sent pics to GM's Tech Assistance Center, and they blocked the warranty work due to aftermarket parts. He fixed the car himself. I would highly recommend having a conversation with the service manager at your servicing dealership before making any changes. Is it too late for a catch can? No, not on a direct injection engine. The valve coking is going to continue to get worse, and eventually pieces of the carbon will chip off. A catch can won't stop it completely, but it will slow the process down.

07-10-2016, 12:39 PM	#5
JLSuperfly Drives: 2014 Red Hot LS3 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,266	Get a catch can now.

07-10-2016, 06:24 PM	#6
deweyg63 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS 500+ h.p. monster Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Charleston IL Posts: 272	Catch cans do work but I believe like many things they grew fast in popularity and it turned into a snowball effect. I've got a 2003 truck with no catch can and 230k miles with I'm sure a lot of deposits in the valve train. My Camaro has 55k and will never see 230k. Not worried....not wasting my time or money on a catch can

07-10-2016, 08:47 PM	#9
Royal Tiger Account Suspended Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 3,873	So not as vital on the 6.2L? It's on my list, but after the new exhaust.

07-11-2016, 07:54 AM	#11
Elite Engineering Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Denver Posts: 1,381	MrChris is correct. Most dealers are competent enough to not hassle you, and more and more are selling and installing these for customers. It just tales education. Also, keep in mind that instance is the ONLY documented instance of an Elite CC being blamed, and as the OP of the threads found out, the tech/dealer did not even diagnose his engine as being bad correctly. Pure ineptness all the way around. Tech, Service Manager, and GM for accepting their crazy claim. One thing that is important is to perform a manual intake valve cleaning (NOT a solvent based engine running type!!) , and to make sure you install a E2 or E2-X with CSS AND the dual outlets/valves as all GDI engines are very intolerant of any oil and other contaminant ingestion. Let us know if you need any guidance.

07-11-2016, 05:00 PM	#12
William.23 Drives: 2011 Summit White. Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SO-California Posts: 525 View My Garage	I've taken my car to the dealership multiple times ( For Oil Changes ) A stabilitrak issue, and they tried bsing me for parts I didn't need... Point being I installed my catch can @ 4k Miles, I'm now at 35k. The dealership never noticed the catch can sticking out, maybe because I got it the same color as my car (White) so it looks stock/factory. Nor have they ever questioned or brought it to my attention. Point being : Catch Can is necessary if you don't want your piston crowns, rings, etc building up with a bunch of gunk. That eventually you'll have to get a service to clean it out which = $$$. So, preventing the amount of PCV oil/fluid that goes into your intake manifold is a must (So I believe, it doesn't start running into issues due to build up How many 500 ml bottles have I filled up since my install with the Catch Can... Probably between 10-15 full 500ml bottles - Which means all that crap would have gotten into my engine.