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toilets · 03-06-2012, 11:13 AM

Its definitely a software update (not necessarily hp gaims) or something very important was discovered and needed to be changed. Otherwise why force a owner to ship his car back from Texas? It wasn't a customs problem because that has been mentioned that new paperwork only needed to be sent and not have all the trouble that it had to go through

thespymaster · 03-06-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Z Boss

Below is an unsolicited e-mail from my dealer's sales manager on my ZL1. While the dealer's comments sound good with a HP increase to match the mustang, I'm not optimistic this is true. The cars are already built and politically, they can't match the Vette's performance with a lower priced Camaro. Plus haven't seen this in the news yet. Let the analysis begin!!

"I'm sure you got the word that the ZL1's have been placed on an immediate and complete hold. Apparently Chevrolet made a decision and made it public on the news that the new mustang was coming out with 650 HP and they didn't want to introduce this SUPERCAR with less horsepower out of the gate than Ford...so, they are supposedly making a design change and bumping up the HP. That is all I heard from my boss. Our Chevrolet contact is in Disney World the next few days and I'll try to get a non-BS answer from him even if we have to torture him to confirm this..."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

I don't see GM needing to up the HP on the ZL1 that has been proven to be a SUPER CAR from the get-go!

Even got the Germans talking about the ZL1 performance at the RING

I don't care about the BLUE OVAL HP numbers or would have canceled ZL1........

Diehard GM owner and just can't wait to experience the SUPER PERMAGRIN that JOE (Dragoneye) has got to experience

GoldenBear · 03-06-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by toilets

Its definitely a software update (not necessarily hp gaims) or something very important was discovered and needed to be changed. Otherwise why force a owner to ship his car back from Texas?

Shipping the ZL1 back from Texas had nothing to do with any specific QC issue that was found. The ZL1 was shipped back from Texas because it was never supposed to be shipped to the dealership in Texas when it was in the first place. The shipment of the ZL1 to Texas was an error that should not have occurred, and, therefore, the ZL1 was shipped back to the assembly plant. No retail ZL1 is supposed ship to dealerships until the initial ZL1 QC process is complete.

noxqq · 03-06-2012, 11:25 AM

In coversations that I have had and overheard, it seemed like the 580 hp statement was kind of "wink-wink" statement anyway.

calbert1999 · 03-06-2012, 11:28 AM

I don't think it would be that much of a big deal to change a few things to match Ford's HP#'s from a purely technical perspective, however, there are some processes these large corporations would need to follow to ensure quality and still meet the deadline for delivery (2012). And, most likely any changes would result in increased "costs", even if they were minimal as it would be considered re-work to the plan.

They most likely found a safety issue or something faulted and it needs to be resolved before they start distribution of the vehicle.

tooslow · 03-06-2012, 11:32 AM

Wait, why didn't I get the memo? When did the ZL1 become considered a supercar by anyone not on C5? It's performance is impressive, that is evident, but let's be real, it's not a supercar.

velociSSimo · 03-06-2012, 11:34 AM

I think all the speculation on the hold is pretty funny actually. Some people have found very creative ideas for what the reasons may be. Good entertainment when only GM and a handful of others really know what the hold is for. Dealers don't know, friends of friends don't know, your uncle's cat's vet doesn't know, and only a very limited # of C5 members probably know. RDFI

SlingShot · 03-06-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tooslow

Wait, why didn't I get the memo? When did the ZL1 become considered a supercar by anyone not on C5? It's performance is impressive, that is evident, but let's be real, it's not a supercar.

To us it is, in fact it's a Super-Duper car which is even better than a Super car ...

tooslow · 03-06-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

To us it is, in fact it's a Super-Duper car which is even better than a Super car ...

Thus the caveat, not on C5.

Happy_Dan · 03-06-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tooslow

Thus the caveat, not on C5.

Oyyy. It has performance in super car territory and it is to us.
If you don't agree, then you aren't "us"
But all your posts that I have seen in the short time I have been there already make that obvious.

ffrcobra_65 · 03-06-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

Oyyy. It has performance in super car territory and it is to us.
If you don't agree, then you aren't "us"
But all your posts that I have seen in the short time I have been there already make that obvious.

define US?

Happy_Dan · 03-06-2012, 11:54 AM

Well, this is a 5th Gen Camaro ZL1 site isn't it? The majority of us are here because we think a lot of the car.

When reviewing posting tendencies, there are some that are way far on the side of GM and they can do nothing wrong, then there are those that are negative all the time and some are actually in the middle.

A lot like politics. LOL.

I like to think that I have a reasonably open mind although I certainly have a GM bias. But some people here are posting only negative remarks to every thread.

It's quite a mix and often amusing.
Also, it's often very transparent.

Mostly it's all in fun.

ffrcobra_65 · 03-06-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

Well, this is a 5th Gen Camaro ZL1 site isn't it? The majority of us are here because we think a lot of the car.

When reviewing posting tendencies, there are some that are way far on the side of GM and they can do nothing wrong, then there are those that are negative all the time and some are actually in the middle.

A lot like politics. LOL.

I like to think that I have a reasonably open mind although I certainly have a GM bias. But some people here are posting only negative remarks to every thread.

It's quite a mix and often amusing.
Also, it's often very transparent.

Mostly it's all in fun.

great answer and yep, I agree with you.

Russell James · 03-06-2012, 11:58 AM

Reply back to the dealer.... double or nothing you have no clue what you're talking about.

Free ZL1 to me if you're full of shit, or I'll pay double the MSRP price if you speak the truth.

03-06-2012, 11:34 AM	#21
velociSSimo ... well, not yet. Drives: 2012 Chevy Silverado ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,213	I think all the speculation on the hold is pretty funny actually. Some people have found very creative ideas for what the reasons may be. Good entertainment when only GM and a handful of others really know what the hold is for. Dealers don't know, friends of friends don't know, your uncle's cat's vet doesn't know, and only a very limited # of C5 members probably know. RDFI __________________ 1988 Wellcraft St. Tropez / 32' Length / Twin 454ci

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03-06-2012, 11:13 AM	#15
toilets Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southeast, Posts: 842	Its definitely a software update (not necessarily hp gaims) or something very important was discovered and needed to be changed. Otherwise why force a owner to ship his car back from Texas? It wasn't a customs problem because that has been mentioned that new paperwork only needed to be sent and not have all the trouble that it had to go through

03-06-2012, 11:25 AM	#18
noxqq Drives: '19 ZR1 Shadow Gray & '16 Z06 LBR Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 408	In coversations that I have had and overheard, it seemed like the 580 hp statement was kind of "wink-wink" statement anyway.

03-06-2012, 11:28 AM	#19
calbert1999 Camaro SS Lover Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Black IOM Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,863	I don't think it would be that much of a big deal to change a few things to match Ford's HP#'s from a purely technical perspective, however, there are some processes these large corporations would need to follow to ensure quality and still meet the deadline for delivery (2012). And, most likely any changes would result in increased "costs", even if they were minimal as it would be considered re-work to the plan. They most likely found a safety issue or something faulted and it needs to be resolved before they start distribution of the vehicle.

03-06-2012, 11:32 AM	#20
tooslow Banned Drives: 4 Wheels, Gasoline Engine Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,007	Wait, why didn't I get the memo? When did the ZL1 become considered a supercar by anyone not on C5? It's performance is impressive, that is evident, but let's be real, it's not a supercar.

03-06-2012, 11:54 AM	#26
Happy_Dan Happy_Dan Drives: 2012 IOM Camaro ZL1 #569 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: New Boston, NH Posts: 2,239	Well, this is a 5th Gen Camaro ZL1 site isn't it? The majority of us are here because we think a lot of the car. When reviewing posting tendencies, there are some that are way far on the side of GM and they can do nothing wrong, then there are those that are negative all the time and some are actually in the middle. A lot like politics. LOL. I like to think that I have a reasonably open mind although I certainly have a GM bias. But some people here are posting only negative remarks to every thread. It's quite a mix and often amusing. Also, it's often very transparent. Mostly it's all in fun.

03-06-2012, 11:58 AM	#28
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,482	Reply back to the dealer.... double or nothing you have no clue what you're talking about. Free ZL1 to me if you're full of shit, or I'll pay double the MSRP price if you speak the truth.