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joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010 · 09-26-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

If you say so! Prepare to be very suprised.

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"...imo"

I would second this. I think it can and will be done. This awesome news, this is the performance I was hoping for, only thing left is price, and I will be very satisfied... no, wait make that ''COMPLETELY SATISFIED!''

*Camaro_Corvette* · 09-26-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Thats good I Like........., But the Chally is going to be on that ass with our 0-60 in 4.9

Thats .3 seconds master, you just as well compare that to night and day on 0-60 times.

carfansince73 · 09-26-2008, 03:47 PM

I wonder if any of the Camaros will have shorter warranties than the 5yr/100K miles. I believe the SRT8's don't have the unlimited powertrain warranty. Not like I give a crap, because I plan to strap a blower on top soon after, money permitting.

fldrummer · 09-26-2008, 05:43 PM

That is great news to hear. I might be happy with stock for quite a while, afterall, if that's the case (4.6)... until I run into a aftermarket-tuned 335 Bimmer that surprises me. I'm sure it will take time to get used to all that extra power anyway, going from ~310 to 422 HP. 'Gotta make sure I know how to handle the stock power before adding even more later, since this will be the faster car I've bought to date.

...'Still can't decide on black or red though; I'm still drooling over those black RS pics from TX!

EMB135Driver · 09-26-2008, 06:21 PM

The difference between 0-60 from a Automatic Vs. a Manual is a lot less time than it took you to read this sentence.

*CamaroSpike23* · 09-26-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scotchsride09

Yes, but "optimized" isn't always "optimal", in all conditions. Sorry; but you take the human reflexive factor out of it and you're going to lose something. The computer can't compensate for environmental surprises or shift when it's most advantageous against your opponent or for the surface/ terrain you're dealing with. Optimized shift points might help you on a straightaway on a track but for driving performance in the real world, nothing beats a manual.

You might think that I am somewhat of a stick snob. Really; I just think a car with this much performance deserves the attention and skill of its driver to get the best out of it, and I like the control and flexibility of a manual. I'm somewhat relieved the manual proved to be faster, if this is indeed truth. I have to admit it didn't make much sense to me either.

But having said that; before I get flamed by everyone on here who loves automatics, let me just say that I perfectly understand why some people drive them and prefer them. I just have my reasons for preferring the manual, as stated above.

BTW, I don't know much about paddle shifters... but I still prefer the clutch and shifter to them, too. It just feels better, IMHO.

you do remember that the auto has paddle shifters right? so you are not fully removing the "human reflexive skill". instead you are shifting in miliseconds when YOU want to as opposed to the .5-2 seconds it takes to speed shift.

and a big problem comes in on how you want to describe manual vs auto. cus if you have a manual valve body in an automatic, then is it still an auto? you HAVE to change gears manually, you just dont use a clutch to disengage the drivetrain.

i would like to know which of the vehicles he tested, not that im saying its not possible, but with the various prototype vehicles out there, its hard to say if that vehicle is exactly as what will roll off the show room floor.

but for my real point in this thread...

I wanna know how fast it runs in the quarter.

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Originally Posted by Wm Holden

PS. I don't think we will see a stock camAro doing 12s...driven by anyone...anywhere...even ATCO...

stock LS1 camaros were doing 12s

hiiiigh 12s, but 12s none the less. just took a good driver

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Originally Posted by EMB135Driver

The difference between 0-60 from a Automatic Vs. a Manual is a lot less time than it took you to read this sentence.

Jamestwilliams · 09-26-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Keep dreaming. The car may make good power, but remember, put a driver in the car and you're already at 4100 lbs. Combine that with the fact that most people aren't gonna be able to hook up, expect a lot of low 13s. Most people don't know how to launch a car well. I could see mid 12s with drag radials, headers, and a tune, but definitely not showroom stock on freaking 20's.

Wasn't the MT about 3850? Avg. weight is 150 (between men and women) making car and driver about 4000. Also if you run the 1/4 with a minimum amount of fuel you can lower the weight as well. But it is still heavier than the old fourth gens. But what we don't know is unsprung weight, I have not* seen any numbers for that.

Jamestwilliams · 09-26-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EMB135Driver

The difference between 0-60 from a Automatic Vs. a Manual is a lot less time than it took you to read this sentence.

I hope so, it probably took nearly five seconds to read that setence. Now if you said the difference is about the same as it takes you to blink twice that would be a much better comparison.

Wm Holden · 09-26-2008, 08:14 PM

stock GTO's are 13.9s on a great day...NOT altitude adjusted....
I'm just saying that these numbers are harder to get out of the car then you think...
and everyone seems to fudge a little in their guesstimations and next thing you know.
Stock car is doing 12s....not.

I'll throw this out....NO stock camAro...at 422 flywheel horse power will run 12s. none.

It just dosen't add up.

Wm Holden · 09-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Here is a manual 425 hp GTO against an A4 600 hp GTO..LOOK at the difference in the runs...it's HUGE!

This blue gto has an exhaust and headers....he doesn't miss a shift...yet HIGH 13s.

That will be the common CamAro timeslip....JMO

EMB135Driver · 09-26-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamestwilliams

I hope so, it probably took nearly five seconds to read that setence. Now if you said the difference is about the same as it takes you to blink twice that would be a much better comparison.

Point taken....the point being that people are arguing about the importance of .2 or .3 seconds.....for a sub 5 second car from the factory with no mods....there are bigger problems to overcome, like affording all the gas this thing is gonna use (good problem in my eyes)

Jamestwilliams · 09-26-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wm Holden

Here is a manual 425 hp GTO against an A4 600 hp GTO..LOOK at the difference in the runs...it's HUGE!

This blue gto has an exhaust and headers....he doesn't miss a shift...yet HIGH 13s.

That will be the common CamAro timeslip....JMO

The Camaro has zero (according to Fbodfather) wheelhop and it will come with launch control, I'm not saying twelves but it will most likely outperform the GTO by a fair margin. It obviously will not challenge your 600 horse power beast.

Caliman93230 · 09-26-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Wouldn't you want to set before the lights even start?

joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010 · 09-26-2008, 10:55 PM

I will have to do some research on this so don't qoute me. I remember reading some where that the Cobalt SS has achieved better 0-60 times while out of the launch control. I think it was some where around a 3K launch. I have tried the launch control before, if you launch to high of a rev. the TC kicks in and bogs you down, making your 0-60 slower.

09-26-2008, 06:21 PM	#47
EMB135Driver Jedi Master Drives: Boeing 757/767+2010 IBM 2SS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangor, ME and Palm Coast, FL Posts: 1,121	The difference between 0-60 from a Automatic Vs. a Manual is a lot less time than it took you to read this sentence. __________________

09-26-2008, 08:14 PM	#51
Wm Holden Yes, that's my real name. Drives: 2005 LS2 600hp GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ventura, ca. Posts: 770	stock GTO's are 13.9s on a great day...NOT altitude adjusted.... I'm just saying that these numbers are harder to get out of the car then you think... and everyone seems to fudge a little in their guesstimations and next thing you know. Stock car is doing 12s....not. I'll throw this out....NO stock camAro...at 422 flywheel horse power will run 12s. none. It just dosen't add up. __________________ Magnuson 112HH supercharger at 7.5 psi (Virtual 9.0 liter) 600hp 1 of 2 torrid/red int /A4/05 555r 275/40/R17's Nitto Extreme Drags 1.7 60 ft Car runs high 11's No other mods. I got the first 112HH Magnuson blower ported for a GTO. Now it appears it was also one of the last.... http://www.ribbonprinting.com http://www.personalizedawarenessribbons.com

09-26-2008, 08:19 PM	#52
Wm Holden Yes, that's my real name. Drives: 2005 LS2 600hp GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ventura, ca. Posts: 770	Here is a manual 425 hp GTO against an A4 600 hp GTO..LOOK at the difference in the runs...it's HUGE! This blue gto has an exhaust and headers....he doesn't miss a shift...yet HIGH 13s. That will be the common CamAro timeslip....JMO __________________ Magnuson 112HH supercharger at 7.5 psi (Virtual 9.0 liter) 600hp 1 of 2 torrid/red int /A4/05 555r 275/40/R17's Nitto Extreme Drags 1.7 60 ft Car runs high 11's No other mods. I got the first 112HH Magnuson blower ported for a GTO. Now it appears it was also one of the last.... http://www.ribbonprinting.com http://www.personalizedawarenessribbons.com Last edited by Wm Holden; 09-26-2008 at 08:39 PM.

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09-26-2008, 03:47 PM	#45
carfansince73 Drives: Carefully Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,213 View My Garage	I wonder if any of the Camaros will have shorter warranties than the 5yr/100K miles. I believe the SRT8's don't have the unlimited powertrain warranty. Not like I give a crap, because I plan to strap a blower on top soon after, money permitting.

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fldrummer "Black Ace" Drives: Supercharged 2010 SS, 2016 Golf R Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 1,352	That is great news to hear. I might be happy with stock for quite a while, afterall, if that's the case (4.6)... until I run into a aftermarket-tuned 335 Bimmer that surprises me. I'm sure it will take time to get used to all that extra power anyway, going from ~310 to 422 HP. 'Gotta make sure I know how to handle the stock power before adding even more later, since this will be the faster car I've bought to date. ...'Still can't decide on black or red though; I'm still drooling over those black RS pics from TX!

09-26-2008, 10:55 PM	#56
joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010 Z28 Hold Out! Drives: 2000 Monte Carlo SS Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wichita, Ks. Posts: 354	I will have to do some research on this so don't qoute me. I remember reading some where that the Cobalt SS has achieved better 0-60 times while out of the launch control. I think it was some where around a 3K launch. I have tried the launch control before, if you launch to high of a rev. the TC kicks in and bogs you down, making your 0-60 slower.