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Valkyrie14 · 05-27-2021, 09:39 AM

So I had been dealing with clutch pedal mash every time I really got on it. So I flushed the lines, no change. Then I recently installed a tick master cylinder and remote bleeder. Finally confident that is all in properly and I got on it yesterday, a little mash but not the pull to the floor.

Then this morning the clutch pedal travel was greatly reduced and at first I thought leak. I’m at gas station and no leak, but my brand new fluid is black. WTF.

Is it how I drive? Or is the OEM clutch? Slave cylinder?

larry_g · 05-27-2021, 09:48 AM

Have you upgraded to the aluminum throw-out bearing support or is it still the OE plastic one?

CamaroCracka · 05-27-2021, 11:46 AM

I'm assuming you have a separate clutch reservoir, and if you flushed to clean fluid and already have that much dust back in the fluid, there has to be an issue with the CSC seal.

fz4k98 · 05-27-2021, 02:26 PM

If there is no seperate clutch reservoir the fluid is shared with the brakes and only bleeding the clutch will not flush the whole system as the brake lines still have old fluid.

When the pedal is mashed to the floor is the fluid level down in the reservoir?

I had a tick adjustable master and kept chasing the adjustment level to get pedal engagement back to were it belonged. It was just out of warranty. I ended up going back to stock master. The other item I found on the clutch system was I was boiling the fluid in the lines on hot day at the strip which caused pedal issue. I have since upgraded the line and double heat wrapped it.

Valkyrie14 · 05-27-2021, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by larry_g

Have you upgraded to the aluminum throw-out bearing support or is it still the OE plastic one?

OE, Haven’t dropped the tranny yet.

Valkyrie14 · 05-27-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

I'm assuming you have a separate clutch reservoir, and if you flushed to clean fluid and already have that much dust back in the fluid, there has to be an issue with the CSC seal.

I do have the separate reservoir, forgot to mention it. Solving the mash issue started there.

If putting in a new CSC seal would mean dropping the tranny, I would probably just go with an upgraded clutch and slave cylinder.

Valkyrie14 · 05-27-2021, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fz4k98

If there is no seperate clutch reservoir the fluid is shared with the brakes and only bleeding the clutch will not flush the whole system as the brake lines still have old fluid.

When the pedal is mashed to the floor is the fluid level down in the reservoir?

I had a tick adjustable master and kept chasing the adjustment level to get pedal engagement back to were it belonged. It was just out of warranty. I ended up going back to stock master. The other item I found on the clutch system was I was boiling the fluid in the lines on hot day at the strip which caused pedal issue. I have since upgraded the line and double heat wrapped it.

It was a hot day, but I upgraded the line when I put in the tick. I didn’t double wrap it though.

Valkyrie14 · 05-27-2021, 02:46 PM

I can’t afford to upgrade the clutch right now so I am kinda stuck. I don’t want to fix OE parts when intent is upgrade down the road.

I also don’t want to be grounded to driving tame in the meantime. I am going to put in new fluid this weekend and take it easy for now.

Thanks for the posts

CamaroCracka · 05-31-2021, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie14

I do have the separate reservoir, forgot to mention it. Solving the mash issue started there.

If putting in a new CSC seal would mean dropping the tranny, I would probably just go with an upgraded clutch and slave cylinder.

CSC is the concentric slave cylinder. I would not try to replace the seal. Just put a new one in. Most of the aftermarket clutches I have seen use the factory slave cylinders, they just provide a new one.

If I had one go bad, I would take that opportunity to change clutches too if I did not already have a built unit.

If you think you are boiling the fluid, you could use Motul brake fluid.

05-27-2021, 09:39 AM	#1
Valkyrie14 Valkyrie14 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin Posts: 962	CLUTCH issues So I had been dealing with clutch pedal mash every time I really got on it. So I flushed the lines, no change. Then I recently installed a tick master cylinder and remote bleeder. Finally confident that is all in properly and I got on it yesterday, a little mash but not the pull to the floor. Then this morning the clutch pedal travel was greatly reduced and at first I thought leak. I’m at gas station and no leak, but my brand new fluid is black. WTF. Is it how I drive? Or is the OEM clutch? Slave cylinder? __________________ 2014 SS LS3/LSA Supercharger, 10% Super Damper, 2.55 upper, AGP Dual Pump, ID 1050 injectors, Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings, LT Headers, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite E2 catch can, E85 corn fed, 160 Thermostat, Monster Twin Disk, MGW Short Throw shifter, Tick Clutch Master Cylinder, HP Tuners, JL Audio system.

05-27-2021, 09:48 AM	#2
larry_g Drives: 2014 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 826	Have you upgraded to the aluminum throw-out bearing support or is it still the OE plastic one? __________________ 830 WHP 700 WTQ, Whipple 2.9 @ 13lbs Boost, Flex Fuel Tune by Blevins Tuning, LSA SBE, 3.5 GripTec, ATI LS3 Damper, AFR 260cc Mongoose, ARP Studs, Yella Terra Ultralites, Johnson 2110R, BTR PDS Stage 3, Melling 10355, Improved Racing Baffle, ID1050X, DSX Triple Fuel Pump, RotoFab CAI, NW 103mm TB, Stainless Works 1-7/8" LTH to 3" Speed Eng w/ X-pipe to NPP, Powermaster 9509 XS, Detroit Speed Motor Mounts, MGW, Monster LT1-S, ZL1 Calipers, DBA Rotors & Pads, Bilstein B6 Struts & Shocks, BMR 1.25" Drop Springs & Adj Rear Bar, Pegasus Solid Bushings, Z/28 Wheels, other misc parts.

05-27-2021, 11:46 AM	#3
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,734	I'm assuming you have a separate clutch reservoir, and if you flushed to clean fluid and already have that much dust back in the fluid, there has to be an issue with the CSC seal. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

05-27-2021, 02:46 PM	#8
Valkyrie14 Valkyrie14 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin Posts: 962	I can’t afford to upgrade the clutch right now so I am kinda stuck. I don’t want to fix OE parts when intent is upgrade down the road. I also don’t want to be grounded to driving tame in the meantime. I am going to put in new fluid this weekend and take it easy for now. Thanks for the posts __________________ 2014 SS LS3/LSA Supercharger, 10% Super Damper, 2.55 upper, AGP Dual Pump, ID 1050 injectors, Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings, LT Headers, Roto-Fab CAI, Elite E2 catch can, E85 corn fed, 160 Thermostat, Monster Twin Disk, MGW Short Throw shifter, Tick Clutch Master Cylinder, HP Tuners, JL Audio system.

05-27-2021, 02:26 PM	#4
fz4k98 Drives: 2013 1ss Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: WI. Posts: 520	If there is no seperate clutch reservoir the fluid is shared with the brakes and only bleeding the clutch will not flush the whole system as the brake lines still have old fluid. When the pedal is mashed to the floor is the fluid level down in the reservoir? I had a tick adjustable master and kept chasing the adjustment level to get pedal engagement back to were it belonged. It was just out of warranty. I ended up going back to stock master. The other item I found on the clutch system was I was boiling the fluid in the lines on hot day at the strip which caused pedal issue. I have since upgraded the line and double heat wrapped it.