2011 Challenger pegging Camaro as target

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

A loaded 2SS/RS with the GFX and stripes is only about 2600 less than a SRT8 when comparing automatics to automatics. Add in 21" wheels and its actually over a thousand dollars more.

Or go with a 1 SS/Non-RS that performs the exact same and is how much less?

1SS/Non-RS = $31,795.

Base R/T = $30,860.

Dodge just has no options for the car... that's what it boils down to. Chevy does.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

Or go with a 1 SS/Non-RS that performs the exact same and is how much less?

1SS/Non-RS = $31,795.

Base R/T = $30,860.

Dodge just has no options for the car... that's what it boils down to. Chevy does.

Or compare equal equipment, automatics and cloth interior. 30,860 for the R/T and around 33,000 for the 1SS L99.

The base R/T comes with an automatic, not a manual.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Or compare equal equipment, automatics and cloth interior. 30,860 for the R/T and around 33,000 for the 1SS L99.

The base R/T comes with an automatic, not a manual.

Ok... so $2,200 difference which is actually less if you include the destination charge on both. $31,160 vs. $32,790 so $1,600. Either way it is not a deciding factor as they are extremely close in price.

Also, I can make Chevy look better...

1SS LS3 = $31,795

R/T Manual = $32,605

Still proves R/T = SS

SRT 8 = No mans land at the moment, potentially GT500/Z-28 territory.

[chain777]

Dodge compares the models like this:





It's silly to compare them any other way.

[BlackieRay]

It is not impossible for the Challenger to do a 3 sec. 0-60. With what they can do to engines these days, especially hemispherical headed ones, along with drivetrain tech it is certainly possible. We also don't know that the Dodge is going to be as heavy next year either.

I find it hilarious that people would make the claim Ford owned the last 7 years when they never really eclipsed the LS1 F-body performance without gobs of boost. Even after that the C6 vettes showed what GM could do with a non aspirated LSx in the Z06, then fully ridiculed Ford's 5.4 with the ZR1.

GM made a critical strategic error abandoning the affordable muscle car market, no argument there, but they have always been the producer of the best domestic performance cars.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by BlackieRay

It is not impossible for the Challenger to do a 3 sec. 0-60. With what they can do to engines these days, especially hemispherical headed ones, along with drivetrain tech it is certainly possible. We also don't know that the Dodge is going to be as heavy next year either.

I find it hilarious that people would make the claim Ford owned the last 7 years when they never really eclipsed the LS1 F-body performance without gobs of boost. Even after that the C6 vettes showed what GM could do with a non aspirated LSx in the Z06, then fully ridiculed Ford's 5.4 with the ZR1.

GM made a critical strategic error abandoning the affordable muscle car market, no argument there, but they have always been the producer of the best domestic performance cars.

I find pulling out the 'vette card hilarious. And irrelevant to this thread. And dissing forced induction in one breath (GT500), and praising it in another (ZR1) is beyond hilarious.

So how's GM doing with those non aspirated engines?

[assasinator]

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[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by assasinator

it is said because the 2003 mustang outsold and outperformed the 2003 camaro. 2003 termi outperfoms ANY LS1 camaro. "without gobs of boost" is your qualifier. tough crap. the ZR1 doesnt outrun anyone "without gobs of boost".

2004 termi owns LS1
2007-2011 GT500 owns all camaros you buy at the dealer from a chevrolet factory.
2004, 2005, 2006,etc. thats why. anyone could buy a NEW 2007 mustang gt. 2007 GT500; which by the way owns a 2002 SS.

"without gobs of boost" is like saying a WRX, or EVO, or 911 turbo cant run fast without gobs of boost. you cant get them without boost. all that argument means, is chevrolet brought a knife to a gunfight.


without gobs of boost is like saying the 2011 ecoboost F-150 is somehow inferior with 420 lb-ft because it uses boost. saying the 6.0 is a better motor or "more honerable" because it is less powerful without boost.

you dont like it that other manufacturers "cheat" by using boost, as they drive by you waving behind themselves.

Will someone tell this nuthugger there was no '03 Camaro.

I think the previous poster was pointing out that when Chevy introduced boost in the ZR1 it spanked your ass until it glowed. I guess we'll see what happens when the z28 hits the tracks.

And I guess we can all admit the GT500 owns the higher pricetag compared to any production camaro.

[assasinator]

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[DGthe3]

How did this get turned into a Mustang thread?

[assasinator]

sorry.

[YLWJKT]

Should be interesting, and until the car actually hits the street it's anyones guess.

The 6.1 SRT8 auto stock will take most LS3 Camaros unless they had very good drivers, we won't even bring the L99 into the conversation.
Depending on options; sunroof etc. the SRT8's weight wise are either dead even with or 200lbs. more than the LS3 2SS. NOTE: I'm talking dead stock cars here.

If you're talking 1/4 mile times I can relate my experiences:

Stock the best my SRT8 6 speed could do in the 1/4 was 12.87, and that was @ 20 psi. in the tires fighting wheel hop. I've been racing a long time so my car was set up well and I consistently will pull a sub .54 reaction time.
Before my bud shipped out on his 3rd tour he would run consistent high 12.60's with his SRT8 auto.
By comparison my 2SS L99 stock made a best run of 13.03.
I know a couple of fast guys with LS3's and they mostly ran high 12's low 13's when they were stock. I think the best I've seen was a 12.71 out of a stock LS3 and he's a damned good driver.

All of the runs were at LMP in Sealy Texas mostly made in the late evening in spring or fall so the air was fair but not great.

Now these are all times made with what I consider to be better than
average drivers. In the real world most SRT8's and LS3 are seeing in the mid 13's, with the L99 a tick slower.

On the steet in a stoplight to stoplight match there's too many factors to take into account;
How full is your gas tank?
How many people are in the car?
Is the AC on? Etc.

Some of the very fast street racers I know don't go to the track because they don't want anyone to know their times.
That and I seriously doubt most of them are any where NEAR stock.


At the end of the day, these cars are more than just about 1/4 mile or 0-60 times, as most of you guys will never take them to a track, let alone seriously street race them. That's when you get into very subjective things like styling, features etc.

I own both cars and I can say this much:
I get more comments on the Challengers appearance from random strangers than the Camaro.
The interior of the Challenger is nicer, although the Camaro has some nice things like auto up windows and an easily moved flip forward drivers seat that the Challenger doesn't.
The Challenger has Nav and a hard drive radio that the Camaro doesn't.

My SRT8 with sunroof has as much head room as my 2SS without.
The Challenger has an actual real back seat that adults can fit in and a much better trunk.

I'll take the 200 lb. weight penalty for those things.

I think the build quality may slightly go to the Camaro, especially paint finish. Actual mpg when both were stock also went to the Camaro.

If you're modding the cars the GM FI is much easier to deal with / dial in than the Chrysler speed density system.

Thankfully I'm fortunate enough to own both cars so it's a moot point.

If you're concerned about next years car being faster from xyz brand, than modify yours. Lord knows I don't leave anything of mine alone.

[YLWJKT]

Originally Posted by assasinator

if the gt500 was AWD it would smoke your jeep. everyone knows the awd jeep is fast. the discussion is the challenger in this thread. im sure an AWD Diablo has your jeep covered.

there will be no 0-60 in 3.9 out af a challenger.


lets say the challenger loses 200lbs. its still heavier. costs too much. and loses. epic fail.

If if was a skiff we could all go fishing.

It's hard to say whether the new 6.4 with the A8 will be able to pull off a 3.9, but at this point, no one knows.
I could guess though, that with really sophisticated traction control and a very low first and second gear like the A8 has, it may be VERY possible.