Camaro 1LE lap time bests Shelby GT500 @ VIR, comments? - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Bosse'sBoss · 08-15-2013, 07:06 AM

Is because you are looking at a '10 shelby gt500 not the new '13 gt500. There is a big difference in performance. The 13 GT500 is in the ZL1 league, not in the 1LE league.

radametz · 08-15-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Is because you are looking at a '10 shelby gt500 not the new '13 gt500. There is a big difference in performance. The 13 GT500 is in the ZL1 league, not in the 1LE league.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mus...gt500_659.html

2013 GT500: 3:00.60
2013 1LE: 2:58.34

Granted, the whole "Different Driver, Different Day" Rule applies here because I find it hard to believe the 2013 is slower than the 2010

but them be the lap times. Regardless, they're closer than most people would consider them to be considering power, price, etc.

MEDISIN · 08-15-2013, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Is because you are looking at a '10 shelby gt500 not the new '13 gt500. There is a big difference in performance. The 13 GT500 is in the ZL1 league, not in the 1LE league.

The '13 GT500 is faster around VIR than the 1LE: 2013 Lightning Lap

Still the 1LE puts to shame cars that cost 2-3X. It's been funny reading the BMW/Audi/Porsche forums and the lamenting over the beating this $37k car hands out. This plus the ATS, C7, Z28 are cementing the fact that the General is killing it in chassis/handling right now. Zee Germans are especially annoyed by it. Makes it hard to justify charging so much for their offerings...but zee interiors, zee interiors are more refined lol

tramtwo · 08-15-2013, 07:50 AM

The 1LE has done a 2:58 around VIR. No mustang has a faster time than that, with any driver on any day. The GT500 is NOT faster around the VIR than the SS equipped with the 1LE.

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hcsi99 · 08-15-2013, 08:03 AM

I think the biggest variable is the driver. I'm sure a pro driver in a V6 mustang would beat me at VIR if I was in a 1Le.

tramtwo · 08-15-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hcsi99

I think the biggest variable is the driver. I'm sure a pro driver in a V6 mustang would beat me at VIR if I was in a 1Le.

Wait till you get you car.... your mind will change.

hcsi99 · 08-15-2013, 08:33 AM

I say this only because I've been an autocrosser for 10 plus years and always felt a lot of joy when I would beat a Viper, Corvette, GTR, by 4 seconds only because the drive didn't know what he was doing. On the other hand I get beat by a national champion G stock driver driving a Stock Celica by 2 seconds when I'm driving a well prepped STX WRX. I know what I'm doing but I'm no national driver. Can't wait for my car!

markgws6 · 08-15-2013, 09:53 AM

Some cars have advantages like all wheel drive or more power than the 1LE. However, when equipped with a good driver the 1LE can walk away with the best of them! It's only 6 or so seconds slower around VIR than the newest Z51 Corvette with a good driver. It's a muscle car that can handle with the best hands down, full stop. Well done GM!!

hcsi99 · 08-15-2013, 09:58 AM

By far the best bang for the buck!

Blizzard · 08-15-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

The '13 GT500 is faster around VIR than the 1LE: 2013 Lightning Lap

Still the 1LE puts to shame cars that cost 2-3X. It's been funny reading the BMW/Audi/Porsche forums and the lamenting over the beating this $37k car hands out. This plus the ATS, C7, Z28 are cementing the fact that the General is killing it in chassis/handling right now. Zee Germans are especially annoyed by it. Makes it hard to justify charging so much for their offerings...but zee interiors, zee interiors are more refined lol

I would like to see the time after 5 laps and then 10 laps. I bet for continues laps the 1LE starts to walk away.

Norm Peterson · 08-15-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Synner

HP doesn't mean that much on that kind of track. The 500 has piss poor tires, wheels and suspension compared to the 1LE or ZL1. Theres a big difference between power and usable power.

Maybe not quite "piss-poor", but not much above "adequate for most folks' real-world driving" either. Nowhere near enough tire (especially front, considering that ugly 57% front weight distribution) or wheel width (either end).

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Originally Posted by scubadoo7

Also, Fords solid rear axle is total fail on road course.

Not necessarily. Consensus is that it's still better for that purpose than the Camaro SS as long as you can stay off the FIA curbs. Fail is when you can't avoid the bumps (particularly with the Mustang's OE shocks). I'm assuming all-OE wheels, tires, and suspensions for both cars here.

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Originally Posted by Chris6067

A big part of why the 1LE does so good on the track is because of it's Independent Rear Suspension, which is no secret to anyone.

It takes more than simply "having IRS". You still have to put the handling balance in the right place with enough tire (and wheel) at both ends of the car. The SS still has IRS, but has neither enough front tire nor a light enough amount of understeer. Again, all OE.

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Originally Posted by MarkSS

There was a new GT500 at a recent track day, and not only was my 1LE significantly faster... so was a Boss 302 LS that was there (and a Volvo wagon...)

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Originally Posted by hcsi99

I think the biggest variable is the driver.

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Norm

mcsoul · 08-15-2013, 12:11 PM

I'm sure the '13 gt500 is just a good set of tires away from barely beating the 1LE at
VIR. But the driver of the 1LE will have had a much easier and rewarding experience.
The gt500 driver will not want to or even be able to do it again between the brakes
and heat soak, they will be 4 seconds behind for the rest of the day, still white knuckling
the live rear axle.

On the other hand, you don't want anything to with with him stop light to stop light.
He will smoke the 1LE on the street.

willc1980 · 08-15-2013, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcsoul

I'm sure the '13 gt500 is just a good set of tires away from barely beating the 1LE at
VIR. But the driver of the 1LE will have had a much easier and rewarding experience.
The gt500 driver will not want to or even be able to do it again between the brakes
and heat soak, they will be 4 seconds behind for the rest of the day, still white knuckling
the live rear axle.

On the other hand, you don't want anything to with with him stop light to stop light.
He will smoke the 1LE on the street.

not if you reinvest the $30,000 you saved by buying the 1LE wisely

Dropspeed · 08-15-2013, 01:31 PM

GT500 is an awesome car for the street.....the track is a tad different.

I have a friend that I have worked with in the past that is a "real" race car driver that has raced LeMans, Grand Am Cup, Open wheel, NASA, SCCA, does testing for many Teams and is currently a hired instructor at Mid-Ohio (He is a real-deal professional driver) He purchased a 2013 GT500...............and then sold it after 3 track days

He knew it would not be a racecar as he already has one, but even as a track day car he said it was too hard to drive fast comfortably. He mentioned that he had more fun in a students 5.0 GT with BB kit and race tires than his own car.

I have also roll raced (in Mexico) a 13 GT500 from low speeds.....Because of wheel spin/lack of traction in the GT500 I was at the door every time into triple digits. Had the race continued the GT500 would have walked away, but for a stop light run (in Mexico) the 1LE does just fine.

So what does that mean??????? It means I can jump in my stock (has springs now) 1LE and have a blast at the limits.

08-15-2013, 09:53 AM	#22
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	Some cars have advantages like all wheel drive or more power than the 1LE. However, when equipped with a good driver the 1LE can walk away with the best of them! It's only 6 or so seconds slower around VIR than the newest Z51 Corvette with a good driver. It's a muscle car that can handle with the best hands down, full stop. Well done GM!! __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

08-15-2013, 01:31 PM	#28
Dropspeed 2013 Camaro SS1LECTSVZ28 Drives: 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Suburbs of Detroit, MI Posts: 2,440	GT500 is an awesome car for the street.....the track is a tad different. I have a friend that I have worked with in the past that is a "real" race car driver that has raced LeMans, Grand Am Cup, Open wheel, NASA, SCCA, does testing for many Teams and is currently a hired instructor at Mid-Ohio (He is a real-deal professional driver) He purchased a 2013 GT500...............and then sold it after 3 track days He knew it would not be a racecar as he already has one, but even as a track day car he said it was too hard to drive fast comfortably. He mentioned that he had more fun in a students 5.0 GT with BB kit and race tires than his own car. I have also roll raced (in Mexico) a 13 GT500 from low speeds.....Because of wheel spin/lack of traction in the GT500 I was at the door every time into triple digits. Had the race continued the GT500 would have walked away, but for a stop light run (in Mexico) the 1LE does just fine. So what does that mean??????? It means I can jump in my stock (has springs now) 1LE and have a blast at the limits. __________________ My 1LE Build/Journal : http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351990

08-15-2013, 07:06 AM	#15
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,463	Is because you are looking at a '10 shelby gt500 not the new '13 gt500. There is a big difference in performance. The 13 GT500 is in the ZL1 league, not in the 1LE league.

08-15-2013, 07:50 AM	#18
tramtwo Drives: 2021 1LE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: N'Awlinz Posts: 6,315	The 1LE has done a 2:58 around VIR. No mustang has a faster time than that, with any driver on any day. The GT500 is NOT faster around the VIR than the SS equipped with the 1LE. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

08-15-2013, 08:03 AM	#19
hcsi99 Cadillac Service Manager Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 672 View My Garage	I think the biggest variable is the driver. I'm sure a pro driver in a V6 mustang would beat me at VIR if I was in a 1Le.

08-15-2013, 08:33 AM	#21
hcsi99 Cadillac Service Manager Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 672 View My Garage	I say this only because I've been an autocrosser for 10 plus years and always felt a lot of joy when I would beat a Viper, Corvette, GTR, by 4 seconds only because the drive didn't know what he was doing. On the other hand I get beat by a national champion G stock driver driving a Stock Celica by 2 seconds when I'm driving a well prepped STX WRX. I know what I'm doing but I'm no national driver. Can't wait for my car!

08-15-2013, 09:58 AM	#23
hcsi99 Cadillac Service Manager Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 672 View My Garage	By far the best bang for the buck!

08-15-2013, 12:11 PM	#26
mcsoul Drives: Want a gen 6 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: 75089 Posts: 1,032	I'm sure the '13 gt500 is just a good set of tires away from barely beating the 1LE at VIR. But the driver of the 1LE will have had a much easier and rewarding experience. The gt500 driver will not want to or even be able to do it again between the brakes and heat soak, they will be 4 seconds behind for the rest of the day, still white knuckling the live rear axle. On the other hand, you don't want anything to with with him stop light to stop light. He will smoke the 1LE on the street.