Z28 or ZL1

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Obviously you are the one confused here, the current 2011 ZL1 is put together by SLP, the 2012 ZL1 will be a completely in house GM product. After 2011, SLP will no longer be offering a version called ZL1.
Clyde

You may be right, but no obvious confusion here I just like "facts", not marketing hype. As far as I'm concerned the Camro ZL "brand" is an SLP product, I've seen it, touched it, sat in it, spoke to SLP representatives at the 2011 AutoShow @ the GM display.

As far as I'm concerned if GM is going to purchase the ZL brand by 2012 thats' all fine and dandy, we'll see in 2012. For now ZL's are NOT a GM product offering.

Originally Posted by badapple

the two zl1's you are referring to have nothing to do with eachother. basically the slp is a decoy, where as the 2012 is the REAL DEAL.

I'm not privy to the details, but I'd doubt it very much that GM would have a vendor @ their display with a product called ZL1 if GM was not somehow partnering with SLP in the near future. There is definately some credit to what "wildpaws" posted, perhaps we'll see in 2012.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

You may be right, but no obvious confusion here I just like "facts", not marketing hype. As far as I'm concerned the Camro ZL "brand" is an SLP product, I've seen it, touched it, sat in it, spoke to SLP representatives at the 2011 AutoShow @ the GM display.

As far as I'm concerned if GM is going to purchase the ZL brand by 2012 thats' all fine and dandy, we'll see in 2012. For now ZL's are NOT a GM product offering.

Believe what you will, I think most people on this forum know and understand what the 2012 ZL1 Camaro will be. The fact is, ZL1 was a "Chevy thing" long before SLP even existed, SLP is using it for a while and it will once again be a "Chevy thing" when the 2012 ZL1 is released. So there's a little dose of "facts" for you and not marketing hype.
Clyde

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Believe what you will, I think most people on this forum know and understand what the 2012 ZL1 Camaro will be. The fact is, ZL1 was a "Chevy thing" long before SLP even existed, SLP is using it for a while and it will once again be a "Chevy thing" when the 2012 ZL1 is released. So there's a little dose of "facts" for you and not marketing hype.
Clyde

Just because GM will bring back something of the past does not mean there's no back door deals being made between SLP and GM, and whoever else to bring back ZL1 / Z28 / IROC / Firebird, etc.... there's no reason why it's not possible SLP ZL1 will become GM ZL1. It only makes business sense. What do you think a Ford Mustang "Shelby" is / was / is going to be?
Licensing deals are made all the time dude. There a dose of "facts" for you too, for "now" 23-Feb-2011, the Camaro ZL brand is an SLP product that is a fact because it's tangible.
If SLP discontinues their Zl1 product in 2012, and GM comes out with an "in-house" ZL1 is yet to be seen in 2012, for now a GM ZL1 in 2012 it is hype. Fact and point, the 2010 Camaro was originally slated for 2008. I know this because I waited 3+yrs. for it to come to market after it was announced to come out in 2008. It almost didn't make it because of high energy costs and the focus on the environment.
The ZL1 and / or Z28 will be a fact when it's a reality, when you can touch it with your hands and see it with your eyes.
I saw, felt and touched an SLP Camaro ZL1. So, I believe the ZL1 is an SLP product.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Just because GM will bring back something of the past does not mean there's no back door deals being made between SLP and GM, and whoever else to bring back ZL1 / Z28 / IROC / Firebird, etc.... there's no reason why it's not possible SLP ZL1 will become GM ZL1. It only makes business sense. What do you think a Ford Mustang "Shelby" is / was / is going to be?
Licensing deals are made all the time dude. There a dose of "facts" for you too, for "now" 23-Feb-2011, the Camaro ZL brand is an SLP product that is a fact because it's tangible.
If SLP discontinues their Zl1 product in 2012, and GM comes out with an "in-house" ZL1 is yet to be seen in 2012, for now a GM ZL1 in 2012 it is hype. Fact and point, the 2010 Camaro was originally slated for 2008. I know this because I waited 3+yrs. for it to come to market after it was announced to come out in 2008. It almost didn't make it because of high energy costs and the focus on the environment.
The ZL1 and / or Z28 will be a fact when it's a reality, when you can touch it with your hands and see it with your eyes.
I saw, felt and touched an SLP Camaro ZL1. So, I believe the ZL1 is an SLP product.

First of all "Dude", you are absolutely free to believe whatever fairy tale you want to believe! The 2010 Camaro was only shown as a prototype at the Detroit Auto Show in Jan. 2006, with no real plans for production, I don't think it was even given the green light for production until sometime in late 2006 or early 2007, so to even think that it would be released in 2008 is far beyond reality and borders on stupidity. I don't care if there have been deals between SLP and GM in the past, I don't care if you looked at the specs, sat in ten thousand of them, or got all of the ZL1 facts at a GM display at an auto show, or if there have been 2000 deals between SLP and GM in the past, the 2012 ZL1 is going to be a GM product through and through and SLP will no longer be making ZL1s, it's just that simple. And yes the current ZL1 is an SLP product, that much we all know, the 2012 ZL1 will not be an SLP product, the 2012 ZL1 is what is being discussed in this thread and not the current 2011 SLP ZL1. So I fully intend to stop responding to your continued ranting and delusions, if that's what you want to believe, then far be it for me to hinder that.
Clyde

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Here's a question:

With the 5th Generation Camaros, if a Z/28 were to be built, where should it stand in relation to the existing trim levels?

ZL1 > SS > Z/28 > V6

or

ZL1 > Z/28 > SS > V6

If the latter, how do you think that would make the current SS owners feel?

Exactly like they should, like Mustang GT owners. There's nothing wrong with that.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

I would think GM is going to bring back the z28 on the alpha platform, the z28 is about handling performance, rigth now the camaro is too much of a porker to be any good for some serious trans am performance, hopefully GM can get the camaro to be round the mustang weight, or something around 3500 pounds. Zl1 is an attempt to get the current camaros fat ass of the line with the help of the supercharger will see if the magnetic ride does it any good but with the added weight is kinda a shot in the foot, might as well had the car be an all wheel drive to get some decent performance, now that camaro is bringing in some decent kinda money GM should realy build performance platform specific to the camaro, will see

Quite honestly the members of this forum are some of the most well informed car enthusiasts anywhere, but do you really think the ZL1 is fat and slow? Its closest cousin is the CTS-V which owns the record for the fastest production sedan at the Nurburing Track with lap times under 8 minutes using the same engine, suspension and brakes. Really, how slow do you think this car is? It will run in the low 12's and cost under $55,000, how many other low 12 second cars are out there that cost under $55,000? Look at other cars that ran the Nurburing Track at under 8 minutes, how many of them are under $55,000? How many people realistically drive a low 12 second car to work everyday. I would venture to say that the vast majority of people have never even been in a 12 second car at full speed. In my opinion the ZL1 is a phenomenal technically advanced vehicle with awesome power and will be a phenomenal deal. Can you mod up an SS and have more horsepower for less money? Yes, but you know it will cost you the 100,000 mile warranty. If you completely modded up an SS with a S/C, suspension and brakes to match the ZL1, it would cost you more money and still leave you without a warranty. No I do not think that this ZL1 Camaro is too fat and heavy to go out and win.

[Z28 Autobot]

Somebody get FBodyfather in here to set the record right..

there is a lot of smoke being blown around here in the last few posts..


I just love this "its not a real ZL1..yada yada yada..because its yada yada yada.."
Fact: SLP owns the name ZL1 for 2011.
Fact: Camaro is the car it is made from.
Fact: the SLP ZL1 cost a lot more $$$!
Fact: the GM ZL1 cost a lot less $$$!
Fact: the '11 SLP ZL1 has a lot more HP!
Fact: the '12 GM ZL1 has a lot less HP!
FACT: the 2011 SLP product IS a ZL1 Camaro!
FACT: the 2012 GM product IS a ZL1 Camaro!

[BustedCrank]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

... Its closest cousin is the CTS-V which owned the record for the fastest production sedan at the Nurburing Track with lap times under 8 minutes using the same engine, suspension and brakes.

Fixed it for you

[OldJedi]

Correctly said, SLP Products has purchased and owns the name ZL. They have temporally purchased the use of the name ZL1 until the end of 2011. The SLP Camaro ZL1 is a 750HP specially built car of which only 69 vehicles will be made and cost over $100,000 each. At the end of 2011 SLP can NO LONGER make vehicles with the ZL1 name, however they can continue to make their ZL585 series of cars.

Starting in Jan. 2012 GM will start production of their ZL1 Camaro introduced at the Chicago Auto show two weeks ago. The GM ZL1 will be a 550HP car selling in the $50,000 range starting in the spring of 2012. Once Jan. 2012 comes around SLP will no longer have the rights to use the name plate of ZL1.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by radz28

I can't say I disagree with hardly any of these points, lol. My signature agrees

Originally Posted by BustedCrank

Fixed it for you

OK thanks Radz and BustedCrank, but I did not hear it lost the top spot. When did it fall to 2nd place and who is the fastest now?

[radz28]

The Panamera is now in the top spot, if I remember correctly :( It still costs like $35K more than CTS-V, but it was a good bit faster. It's hard to argue with AWD; at least it wasn't a Nissan or something, LOL.

[radz28]

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html


70. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1974 Walter Roehrl (AutoB
71. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.00 156 '09 500 / 1870 Walter Röhrl
72. Porsche 996 GT3 early 7:56.33 156 '99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohl
73. Honda NSX-R 7:56.73 156 '02 280 / 1270 Gan San
74. Audi RS4 (B7) 7:58.00 155 '05 420 / 1720 Frank Stippler
75. Chevrolet Corvette C6 7:59.00 155 '04 400 / 1470 Motortrend
76. Porsche 997 Carrera S 7:59.00 155 '04 355 / 1420 Walter Roehrl, WHEEL
77. Cadillac CTS-V 7:59.32 155 '09 564 / 1955 john heinricy

I'm reading the Porsche's times weren't official, though...

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by radz28

The Panamera is now in the top spot, if I remember correctly :( It still costs like $35K more than CTS-V, but it was a good bit faster. It's hard to argue with AWD; at least it wasn't a Nissan or something, LOL.

Thanks Radz, I guess it is hard to maintain that top position. I think the CTS-V looks much better than the pregnant Porsche.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

Thanks Radz, I guess it is hard to maintain that top position. I think the CTS-V looks much better than the pregnant Porsche.

I've had better runs in my shorts! That thing is FUBAR!