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2cnd chance · 05-26-2011, 04:21 PM

So Number 3, what if we had an LS7 stripped back?
How much could be saved cost wise? And where would HP end up?

KarFan · 05-26-2011, 04:44 PM

The real question isn't about loosing weight its will people accept a 3850lb LS3 powered Camaro as a Z28.

It's not likley the 5th Gen is gonna be able to shed any real weight (within 100lbs) and it's also not likely it's going to get a LS7 if it's going to compete with the BOSS on price.

SO the question becomes will people or enthusiasts buy a "Z28" if it competes with the BOSS only in price and heritage but not in actual performance. Would it matter to a potential buyer?

Number 3 · 05-26-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KarFan

The real question isn't about loosing weight its will people accept a 3850lb LS3 powered Camaro as a Z28.

It's not likley the 5th Gen is gonna be able to shed any real weight (within 100lbs) and it's also not likely it's going to get a LS7 if it's going to compete with the BOSS on price.

SO the question becomes will people or enthusiasts buy a "Z28" if it competes with the BOSS only in price and heritage but not in actual performance.

That, sir, is the $64,000 question.

If you compare to Gen 3 and 4 Camaros, it was basically a nice chassis enhancement and not much more. It seems to be Boss Envy that has everyone worked up right now, which is driving, seemingly, the "gotta lose weight" and "gotta have an LS7" comments.

Boss was a very nice effort by Ford. Just not sure if it were my company I'd send capital chasing after a very low volume car unless I knew I had a really good buiness case.

ShnOmac · 05-26-2011, 05:13 PM

Just because you cant lose 300 pounds does not mean you cant make it handle like it lost 300 pounds. Where is that JusticePete guy when you need him....

BoostedX2 · 05-26-2011, 05:27 PM

Number 3, it sounds like if we want Boss 302 performance at or near Boss 302 price that we will need to get a Boss 302. Just wondering why Ford seems to be so much nimbler and able to engineer performance...Don't take it personally, I am a GMI graduate (1984) but seems like GM can't compete well in the niches...I wish I could be on the Camaro Team to help overcome this...

2cnd chance · 05-26-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr T

Number 3, it sounds like if we want Boss 302 performance at or near Boss 302 price that we will need to get a Boss 302. Just wondering why Ford seems to be so much nimbler and able to engineer performance...Don't take it personally, I am a GMI graduate (1984) but seems like GM can't compete well in the niches...I wish I could be on the Camaro Team to help overcome this...

Number 3 GM's been called out again! Ouch!

BoostedX2 · 05-26-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Number 3 GM's been called out again! Ouch!

You are Damn right!

BoostedX2 · 05-26-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr T

You are Damn right!

2cnd chance · 05-26-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr T

You are Damn right!

Just talkin' 'bout Shaft...

Sorry it took me there.

BoostedX2 · 05-26-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Just talkin' 'bout Shaft...

Sorry it took me there.

What does that mean?

Number 3 · 05-26-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr T

Number 3, it sounds like if we want Boss 302 performance at or near Boss 302 price that we will need to get a Boss 302. Just wondering why Ford seems to be so much nimbler and able to engineer performance...Don't take it personally, I am a GMI graduate (1984) but seems like GM can't compete well in the niches...I wish I could be on the Camaro Team to help overcome this...

Not taking it personally. Basically Ford was doing work with money they borrowed back in 2006 when there was credit. GM just came out of bankruptcy. All you are seeing is some money Ford had and GM didn't. Capabilty is a different issue.

One might ask why Ford isn't "nimble" enough to have a Corvette or Z06 competitor. They don't. Does that change your opininon even if just a little bit?

The ZL1 will be out soon enough. Will that change your mind?

2cnd chance · 05-26-2011, 07:34 PM

The theme song from the movie "Shaft", written and performed by Isaac Hayes. He wS the voice of Chef on South Park.

2cnd chance · 05-26-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Not taking it personally. Basically Ford was doing work with money they borrowed back in 2006 when there was credit. GM just came out of bankruptcy. All you are seeing is some money Ford had and GM didn't. Capabilty is a different issue.

One might ask why Ford isn't "nimble" enough to have a Corvette or Z06 competitor. They don't. Does that change your opininon even if just a little bit?

The ZL1 will be out soon enough. Will that change your mind?

I heard rumors that the GT was coming back for it's anniversary. Would GM look at the GT as a Corvette competitor now that the ZR1 is out?

BoostedX2 · 05-26-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I heard rumors that the GT was coming back for it's anniversary. Would GM look at the GT as a Corvette competitor now that the ZR1 is out?

Agreed! But now that GM is making money, can we expect the SAME LEVEL OF Product development and refinement as the competitore, aka Ford, tit for tat? Especially as I believe the cost structure for GM is lower than
Ford as we speak based on contracts...

05-26-2011, 04:44 PM	#72
KarFan Drives: 2023 SGM Camaro 2SS 1LE 6M Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 575	The real question isn't about loosing weight its will people accept a 3850lb LS3 powered Camaro as a Z28. It's not likley the 5th Gen is gonna be able to shed any real weight (within 100lbs) and it's also not likely it's going to get a LS7 if it's going to compete with the BOSS on price. SO the question becomes will people or enthusiasts buy a "Z28" if it competes with the BOSS only in price and heritage but not in actual performance. Would it matter to a potential buyer? __________________ Past Camaro rides 1997 Black Camaro Z28 A4 1999 Silver Camaro SS 6M 2002 White Camaro Z28 A4

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05-26-2011, 04:21 PM	#71
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	So Number 3, what if we had an LS7 stripped back? How much could be saved cost wise? And where would HP end up?

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ShnOmac Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: PNW Posts: 13,313	Just because you cant lose 300 pounds does not mean you cant make it handle like it lost 300 pounds. Where is that JusticePete guy when you need him....

05-26-2011, 05:27 PM	#75
BoostedX2 Drives: VR ZL1 #259/Nissan 370Z NISMO Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,071	Number 3, it sounds like if we want Boss 302 performance at or near Boss 302 price that we will need to get a Boss 302. Just wondering why Ford seems to be so much nimbler and able to engineer performance...Don't take it personally, I am a GMI graduate (1984) but seems like GM can't compete well in the niches...I wish I could be on the Camaro Team to help overcome this...

05-26-2011, 07:34 PM	#82
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	The theme song from the movie "Shaft", written and performed by Isaac Hayes. He wS the voice of Chef on South Park.