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Old 10-07-2009, 11:35 AM   #15
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I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:38 AM   #16
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I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
I did too, until I sat in one at NAIAS 07. Ate my knees for lunch on the hard PVC dash. Supra.. never really liked it. Later generations looked too cartoony for my taste.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:45 AM   #17
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I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
Toyota designer: Hey guys, let's see how thick we can make the C-pillar. 20 bucks says I can make it thicker than you.
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:49 AM   #18
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Toyota designer: Hey guys, let's see how thick we can make the C-pillar. 20 bucks says I can make it thicker than you.
It just looks sporty..

And i've never been in one, next time i go to Austin, i am gonna sit in one.
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Oh dear Tac.

This...



Or this...

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Old 10-07-2009, 12:21 PM   #20
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I hope so, I want American cars to "win". But I want them to win because they have an outstanding product- not because Toyota fails.
+1. Excellent statement. Ford and GM will only win because of excellent products.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:29 PM   #21
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I still like this. But Toyota sucks...except for the Supra.
Oooh look... an H3 Wannabe!
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:30 PM   #22
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I hope so, I want American cars to "win". But I want them to win because they have an outstanding product- not because Toyota fails.
Umm. If Toyota fails because its quality is lacking...that would mean American cars are winning because they have the better product.


When one team wins a football game its because they are better than the other team regardless of fumbles or interceptions thrown...the winning team has the same opportunity to fumble and throw picks. Dont forget that.

I know the UAW will never go away...I have accepted this and I hate it. That being said....Toyota, honda, ect still use the same American workers to do the same work as their domestic building counterparts....Why dont they have to use the same union? Its a total unfair advantage to the import companies.

Well that and millions upon millions in tax breaks for import companies to build factories here.
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Oh dear Tac.

This...



Or this...

:( I always fall for the Terrain, so Terrain it is.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:49 PM   #24
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:( I always fall for the Terrain, so Terrain it is.
Good choice, P-Nut. You may get that PhD afterall.
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I don't think most of what has happened lately will have much bearing on Toyota. Reliability and price are some very strong motivators and they have no problems in this area.
Please stop drinking the toyota kool-aid.
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No problems on reliability?

Did you even read the thing? 2000-2001 models with THROUGH-RUST on the frame thats so bad its causing brake failure?

That doesn't seem very reliable to me.
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Exactly....and this isn't the only case.
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Dont forget the Tundra Camshaft failures, tailgate failures and severe frame flex and bed bounce. LOL.

ITS A MANS TRUCK...MANMANMAN MAN MAN MANLY.

OUR TRUCK IS SO MANLY IT BREAKS ITS OWN CAMSHAFTS....WITH NO MODS!!!!

ALSO THE TUNDRA IS SO MANLY IT SHAKES THE BED ENOUGH TO SCRAPE PAINT OFF THE CAB.....MANLY!!!!!
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:34 PM   #27
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Oh dear Tac.

This...



Or this...

This isn't really a fair comparison. The H3 as mentioned later is. This is actually a pretty capable off-road package-and if you really do off road, fancy interiors are not good. The terrain is more a comparison to the normal crossovers from Toyota. The Cruiser has real wheels/tires/transaxles/low range/locking axles- it's a pretty sturdy beast and I've seen them in places you could never dream of taking a Terrain. I'm not drinking the Kool-aid, my hunting rig is a Dodge- but Toyota makes a pretty good off road rig.

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No, it's a retro nod to this ^. Along with Jeep, probably the most respected off-road vehicle on the planet for reliability + capability. You've got 50 year old FJs roaming Africa still. If anything, the H2 & 3 was a Land Cruiser/Land Cruiser Jr. wannabe. And unfortunately, with Hummers demise- GM makes nothing even close in capability to the FJ.

I realize you guys hate Toyota, but you can't just dispense with all logic and take away even the credit they do deserve.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:36 PM   #28
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A co-worker of mine has one of those. He loves it. He also uses it how its meant to be used.

Personally its not my thing, but I was pretty impressed seeing the amount of mud on it. Heh. Heres to hoping the floormat don't stick while approaching a cliff.

That is quite possibly the ugliest interior I've ever seen.


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