03-03-2012, 11:07 PM | #43 |
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03-04-2012, 12:40 AM | #44 |
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I still don't know how anyone expects a Camaro with an LS7 to be cost effective. The Z06 is 70k +! And you want GM to basically take it in the shorts by putting an LS7 in a 5th gen chassis.......and then sell it for $45,000-$50,000? I seriously doubt that is gonna happen. And then what's left for engine choices? LSA? Already been done. That leaves the LS3. Now we have to take a 5th gen with an LS3 and then make it perform the same or better on a track that a boss 302 does! That's gonna be a tall order. Tweaking the suspension is not going to turn an LS3 5th gen into a capable track car that can compete on any level with a boss 302. I mean that is the point of creating a Z28 right? It's a track car? In many racing classes, MR and forced induction are not allowed. So you just threw out the Camaros two main methods of gaining an advantage on the track. So after all that, what are we left with for a Z28? I just don't see it happening unless the camaro sheds some weight or a cheaper more cost effective NA engine gets developed. I also don't see that happening in this goaround. I will be shocked if GM releases a 5th gen with an LS7 that is priced between 40-50,000k.
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03-04-2012, 12:45 PM | #46 | |
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SCCA American Iron extreme class allows forced induction. but from my understanding MR is still not allowed. Also you are talking about a vet with more features then an engine. The engine isn't what makes the vette 70k. it's a combination of the light weight materials used engine and other performance options along with all the goodies that you can get in a regular vette. the cost of the LS7 over the LS3 is something like 9k retail. It doesn't cost GM retail to build a crate engine. so what will the real cost be 4-7k difference? big window due to manufacturing costs. but lets to the math using retail pricing Base 1SS $32,820 (before destination LS3 (crateenginedepot.com) $6204.00 LS7 from the same place $13,578.00 (note does not include dry sump system) now subtract the ls7 by the ls3 cost. you get 7374. so now you're looking at a 40k car just with slapping the engine in. add in an upgraded suspension and maybe some minor weight reduction with out incorporating R&D costs in you can easily see 43-45k for a base Z28. so 47k with R&D added in. because the profit margin is still there from the original SS car you don't need to worry about adding that in. yes that is assuming a lot about suspension, weight reduction and R&D. but it looks like most of the work is already there. it just need validation. Now what I would like and what keeps getting proposed by all the other Z28 guys are two different things. I still want a DI v-8, pedders suspension, and race seats. leave the hud on the car but add the feature to see G's. |
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Let's boil it down further, so that even an abacus can cypher it...
LSA = LS7, crate 'n all Delete certain things from the ZL1, and you end up with a lower price point... No Duracells required... |
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03-04-2012, 09:04 PM | #51 |
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Gotcha. Aw well.
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03-05-2012, 09:39 AM | #53 | |
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so lets say it costs GM $31,000 to build a 1SS. add the 7374 to that. 31000 + 7374 = 38,374 suspension + 2,500 ZL1 drivetrain already being used lower cost + 2,000 over stock part R&D cost per car projected sales + 1,500 (adds up over time. multi car + multi year) Total 44,374 add in a 3% profit margin 45,705.22 just leaving the car as it sits with out de-contenting it it's sitting at that mid 40's price mark. But lets be honest here. GM's profit margin is greater on the SS then 3%. so in that sense the car would be cheaper to build then 44,374, but cost more than the 46k. My point is it's very possible to see a Z28 in this price bracket. just saying it can't be done means it won't be. Do you think if president Kennedy had said going to the moon was impossible; that we would have? if they want it at 45-49k price tag they will make it so. it's up to GM not you or me. |
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