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13lstuner · 10-27-2013, 09:13 PM

From the research I have done I know this. I have 2.92 gears and to my knowledge the only gears I can put in my rear or better stated the
"Best" are the 3.55 gears. What amount of RWTQ could I expect to see from this change I'm gears. And also what amount of decrease in gas mileage? And excuse my ignorance but why does a higher gear ratio decrease gas milage? Will
It carry my shift points higher?

DSX_Camaro · 10-27-2013, 10:10 PM

Well, uh... Mathematically 3.55s would give you a 21.6% boost in torque compared to 2.92s... (3.55/2.92)

Gas mileage I'm not sure. That's a bit of a guessing game.

All due respect, I'm going to make this as simple as possible. Basically, the gear ratio is how many times the drive shaft rotates compared to how many times the axles rotate. So with 2.92s the axles rotate 2.92 times before the driveshaft rotates once.

As for cruising RPM, take your current cruising RPM at any given speed and multiply it by the torque multiplication of the gears over stock (so 1.216, or 1 + [3.55/2.92]). So what a speed once was at 2000 rpm is now at 2431 rpm.

DSX_Camaro · 10-27-2013, 10:12 PM

Forgive me but my post sounds so weird... need someone else to verify it. I'm very tired and don't want to be leading this fellow astray.

LStick · 10-27-2013, 10:19 PM

[QUOTE=DSX_Camaro;7133295]Well, uh... Mathematically 3.55s would give you a 21.6% boost in torque compared to 2.92s... (3.55/2.92)

Gas mileage I'm not sure. That's a bit of a guessing game.

Would make sense that a lower gear ratio (higher number numerically)would give you more torque off the line, and in the same token, at a given speed, your engine would be turning more RPMs in order to sustain that speed.

And that being the case, it will use a little more gas.

The LS and LT cars that are carrying the 3.27 rear ratio are rated at 28 MPG Hwy.
The 2LS with the 2.92 is rated at 30 MPG hwy. (mine gets a little more)
So it would make sense a 2LS running an even lower setup would get less MPGs.

13lstuner · 10-27-2013, 10:37 PM

Yeah I'm sure I will get less mpg. Thank you both for the information! And dang a 21% increase in torque would be... Amazing. Heck a 15% increase would be more than worth it to get the gears. My only question I have left is would this effect my powertrain warranty?

Jason@JacFab · 10-27-2013, 10:59 PM

I would venture to say that gas mileage in a high traffic, stop and go environment would be better, as the car does not have to work as hard to get moving from a stop... I imagine the only mpg loss would be on the hwy, however...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=11

Read from post 11 onward regarding fitment of the 3.55 gears in a 2ls rear.

13lstuner · 10-27-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RacnJsn95

I would venture to say that gas mileage in a high traffic, stop and go environment would be better, as the car does not have to work as hard to get moving from a stop... I imagine the only mpg loss would be on the hwy, however...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=11

Read from post 11 onward regarding fitment of the 3.55 gears in a 2ls rear.

I completely trust your information but how does that happen? Not being able to put the 3.55 in mine? And what gear ratio does the stock ss have?

Jason@JacFab · 10-27-2013, 11:24 PM

Supposedly a different carrier (ie: 2 series carrier vs 3 series carrier)... Only one person has brought and tried the 3.55 gears in his 2ls and claimed they didn't fit the 2.92 carrier. Supposedly he contacted Richmond, the gear manufacturer and they werent even aware...

A manual SS has a 3.45 ratio, while the auto has the same ratio as the 1ls, and 1/2lt, a 3.27. Swapping to the SS 3.45 rear end would be like an 18% torque gain. Even swapping to someones take out 3.27 a6 v6 rear, a straight swap, would be appx a like 12% gain in tq.

lscamaro · 10-27-2013, 11:34 PM

Personally, and this is my opinion, is that the gear swap isn't worth it since you have to swap out the whole rear end pretty much and it's not going to cost you less than at least 1000 dollars. And if you're going to do it, I'd at least go with the 1LE gears which are the 3.91. They'd be a vast improvement but your MPG will take a hit.

Mr Monte · 10-28-2013, 12:58 AM

In my Wife's Mustang I replaced the 3.31 gears with 4.10 gears. City mpg got better by 5mpg & hwy only dropped 2mpg. Fun factor when up 100%.

Now I'm looking to install 3.91 gears in her Camaro. Unless you are mostly a hwy cruiser more gear is the biggest bang for the buck.

Even going from 3.73 gears to 4.10 gears in my Suburban made a big improvement in performance & I didn't loose any mpg city or hwy because it stayed in OD longer.

13lstuner · 10-28-2013, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lscamaro

Personally, and this is my opinion, is that the gear swap isn't worth it since you have to swap out the whole rear end pretty much and it's not going to cost you less than at least 1000 dollars. And if you're going to do it, I'd at least go with the 1LE gears which are the 3.91. They'd be a vast improvement but your MPG will take a hit.

What process would I have to go through to get the 3.91 gears?

POWERFREAK · 10-28-2013, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 13lstuner

What process would I have to go through to get the 3.91 gears?

In an LS, you will need to swap the diff to one from an SS or LT(M6) to be able to fit 3.91s (or just find a 1LE diff). You may also need to swap axles, hubs and the rear half of the driveshaft to get it to fit (they are required in an A6/V6).

13lstuner · 10-28-2013, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by POWERFREAK

In an LS, you will need to swap the diff to one from an SS or LT(M6) to be able to fit 3.91s (or just find a 1LE diff). You may also need to swap axles, hubs and the rear half of the driveshaft to get it to fit (they are required in an A6/V6).

Would I have to have axles,hubs and driveshaft for the 3.45 ss manual swap?

Jason@JacFab · 10-28-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 13lstuner

Would I have to have axles,hubs and driveshaft for the 3.45 ss manual swap?

Yes

10-27-2013, 09:13 PM	#1
13lstuner Drives: 2013 2LS BLK Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: North Alabama Posts: 1,444	2013 2ls gears From the research I have done I know this. I have 2.92 gears and to my knowledge the only gears I can put in my rear or better stated the "Best" are the 3.55 gears. What amount of RWTQ could I expect to see from this change I'm gears. And also what amount of decrease in gas mileage? And excuse my ignorance but why does a higher gear ratio decrease gas milage? Will It carry my shift points higher? __________________

10-27-2013, 10:10 PM	#2
DSX_Camaro Drives: 2013 SW 2LT/RS LFX/AY6 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,741	Well, uh... Mathematically 3.55s would give you a 21.6% boost in torque compared to 2.92s... (3.55/2.92) Gas mileage I'm not sure. That's a bit of a guessing game. All due respect, I'm going to make this as simple as possible. Basically, the gear ratio is how many times the drive shaft rotates compared to how many times the axles rotate. So with 2.92s the axles rotate 2.92 times before the driveshaft rotates once. As for cruising RPM, take your current cruising RPM at any given speed and multiply it by the torque multiplication of the gears over stock (so 1.216, or 1 + [3.55/2.92]). So what a speed once was at 2000 rpm is now at 2431 rpm. __________________ K&N CAI, 1LE Strut Tower Brace, Elite Engineering Catch Can and Clean Side Separator, Apex Scoop w/ Washer Relocation Kit, CTS Front Calipers and Rotors, JacFab Ported Intake Manifold, JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer, 80mm Overkill Throttle Body, SS Brake Lines, Ideal Garage Master Cylinder, Monster Twin Disc Clutch, NPP Retrofit w/ Magnaflow Resonated X, ARH Catless Downpipes, JRE Built 3.45 Diff, 1LE Axles, 1LE Hubs, Overkill Tuned, BMR Anti Wheel-hop Kit Stage I, ACS TL1 Hood Insert, ZL1 Spoiler

10-27-2013, 10:12 PM	#3
DSX_Camaro Drives: 2013 SW 2LT/RS LFX/AY6 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,741	Forgive me but my post sounds so weird... need someone else to verify it. I'm very tired and don't want to be leading this fellow astray. __________________ K&N CAI, 1LE Strut Tower Brace, Elite Engineering Catch Can and Clean Side Separator, Apex Scoop w/ Washer Relocation Kit, CTS Front Calipers and Rotors, JacFab Ported Intake Manifold, JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer, 80mm Overkill Throttle Body, SS Brake Lines, Ideal Garage Master Cylinder, Monster Twin Disc Clutch, NPP Retrofit w/ Magnaflow Resonated X, ARH Catless Downpipes, JRE Built 3.45 Diff, 1LE Axles, 1LE Hubs, Overkill Tuned, BMR Anti Wheel-hop Kit Stage I, ACS TL1 Hood Insert, ZL1 Spoiler

10-27-2013, 10:37 PM	#5
13lstuner Drives: 2013 2LS BLK Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: North Alabama Posts: 1,444	Yeah I'm sure I will get less mpg. Thank you both for the information! And dang a 21% increase in torque would be... Amazing. Heck a 15% increase would be more than worth it to get the gears. My only question I have left is would this effect my powertrain warranty? __________________

10-27-2013, 11:34 PM	#9
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	Personally, and this is my opinion, is that the gear swap isn't worth it since you have to swap out the whole rear end pretty much and it's not going to cost you less than at least 1000 dollars. And if you're going to do it, I'd at least go with the 1LE gears which are the 3.91. They'd be a vast improvement but your MPG will take a hit. __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

10-27-2013, 10:19 PM	#4
LStick Drives: 2021 Shadow Gray 1LS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Streetsboro Ohio Posts: 1,371	[QUOTE=DSX_Camaro;7133295]Well, uh... Mathematically 3.55s would give you a 21.6% boost in torque compared to 2.92s... (3.55/2.92) Gas mileage I'm not sure. That's a bit of a guessing game. Would make sense that a lower gear ratio (higher number numerically)would give you more torque off the line, and in the same token, at a given speed, your engine would be turning more RPMs in order to sustain that speed. And that being the case, it will use a little more gas. The LS and LT cars that are carrying the 3.27 rear ratio are rated at 28 MPG Hwy. The 2LS with the 2.92 is rated at 30 MPG hwy. (mine gets a little more) So it would make sense a 2LS running an even lower setup would get less MPGs.

10-27-2013, 10:59 PM	#6
Jason@JacFab Drives: 2016 1LT RS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 5,688 View My Garage	I would venture to say that gas mileage in a high traffic, stop and go environment would be better, as the car does not have to work as hard to get moving from a stop... I imagine the only mpg loss would be on the hwy, however... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=11 Read from post 11 onward regarding fitment of the 3.55 gears in a 2ls rear.

10-27-2013, 11:24 PM	#8
Jason@JacFab Drives: 2016 1LT RS Camaro; 72 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Point, OR Posts: 5,688 View My Garage	Supposedly a different carrier (ie: 2 series carrier vs 3 series carrier)... Only one person has brought and tried the 3.55 gears in his 2ls and claimed they didn't fit the 2.92 carrier. Supposedly he contacted Richmond, the gear manufacturer and they werent even aware... A manual SS has a 3.45 ratio, while the auto has the same ratio as the 1ls, and 1/2lt, a 3.27. Swapping to the SS 3.45 rear end would be like an 18% torque gain. Even swapping to someones take out 3.27 a6 v6 rear, a straight swap, would be appx a like 12% gain in tq.

10-28-2013, 12:58 AM	#10
Mr Monte Drives: 2014 Chevy SS Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 269 View My Garage	In my Wife's Mustang I replaced the 3.31 gears with 4.10 gears. City mpg got better by 5mpg & hwy only dropped 2mpg. Fun factor when up 100%. Now I'm looking to install 3.91 gears in her Camaro. Unless you are mostly a hwy cruiser more gear is the biggest bang for the buck. Even going from 3.73 gears to 4.10 gears in my Suburban made a big improvement in performance & I didn't loose any mpg city or hwy because it stayed in OD longer. __________________ It's nice to have options.