#230 Goes to Dealer for Major GM Testing!!

[Restroom]

We should round up the people who bought the car for looks and shoot them.
Ditto the "advanced engineers".
They all have twenty sisters.
Each of these sisters carries the plague.
Life is filthy and no one will ever be happy.
When I purchase an automobile I will devise a road course by placing six hundred dollars' worth of groceries very carefully along a section of proving grounds, and I will drive my precious brandnewcar over and over every bag of food, gourd and plumjuice I have purchased with my HardEarnedMoney. I will sustain an erection. No one will be my master. My automobile, perfect upon perfect. The news will travel. I will grow old and die. Then, finally, your car will be perfect. Everyone will have had their say. Birds will eat the remnants of crushed groceries on my legendary test track.

[Scott@Bjorn3D]

Ok latest update.

They want the car Monday or Tuesday. Have to see how busy the shop is. GM wants all kinds of reading off the exhaust in different places. Then they said go ahead and put the GMMP axle back on and take the readings again and do 0-60 runs.

Guess they are thinking the exhaust my be causing issues and holding the thing back.

[Mod4SS]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I'd like to know how many people broke theirs in by banging it are having problems as opposed to the ones who broke it in by babying it.

Check out this thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33914

[GJG]

Originally Posted by Restroom

We should round up the people who bought the car for looks and shoot them.
Ditto the "advanced engineers".
They all have twenty sisters.
Each of these sisters carries the plague.
Life is filthy and no one will ever be happy.
When I purchase an automobile I will devise a road course by placing six hundred dollars' worth of groceries very carefully along a section of proving grounds, and I will drive my precious brandnewcar over and over every bag of food, gourd and plumjuice I have purchased with my HardEarnedMoney. I will sustain an erection. No one will be my master. My automobile, perfect upon perfect. The news will travel. I will grow old and die. Then, finally, your car will be perfect. Everyone will have had their say. Birds will eat the remnants of crushed groceries on my legendary test track.

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Ok latest update.

They want the car Monday or Tuesday. Have to see how busy the shop is. GM wants all kinds of reading off the exhaust in different places. Then they said go ahead and put the GMMP axle back on and take the readings again and do 0-60 runs.

Guess they are thinking the exhaust my be causing issues and holding the thing back.

Holy crappers! all the exausts are the same. The car is detuned from the factory to protect the drive train, is that possible?

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Ok latest update.

They want the car Monday or Tuesday. Have to see how busy the shop is. GM wants all kinds of reading off the exhaust in different places. Then they said go ahead and put the GMMP axle back on and take the readings again and do 0-60 runs.

Guess they are thinking the exhaust my be causing issues and holding the thing back.

Hmm.. That could explain why many of those L99 Camaro's who have had their exhausts modded are getting close to normal times..

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Ok latest update.

They want the car Monday or Tuesday. Have to see how busy the shop is. GM wants all kinds of reading off the exhaust in different places. Then they said go ahead and put the GMMP axle back on and take the readings again and do 0-60 runs.

Guess they are thinking the exhaust my be causing issues and holding the thing back.

Scott, that just sounds a little strange to me, well maybe they got a bad bach of cats? Just no torque. I still am wondering why it shifts at 5500 from 1st to 2nd?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by rpepka

Scott, that just sounds a little strange to me, well maybe they got a bad bach of cats? Just no torque. I still am wondering why it shifts at 5500 from 1st to 2nd?

This among other things. NO WAY the exhaust system is causing these slow accelaration times. If you build a bunch of engines and computerize them, I can see there being variances with all the little and big internal parts involved. Exhaust? No way. And it wouldn't explain the fact that the problem is only with a few. So I'm supposed to believe that the piping is somehow thinner or larger than others?

[rpepka]

Originally Posted by irpq11

This among other things. NO WAY the exhaust system is causing these slow accelaration times. If you build a bunch of engines and computerize them, I can see there being variances with all the little and big internal parts involved. Exhaust? No way. And it wouldn't explain the fact that the problem is only with a few. So I'm supposed to believe that the piping is somehow thinner or larger than others?

I have to agree sounds like to me as well. I really think the cars have been detuned intentally to put less stress on the drive train for less warrenteed repairs.

[aircooled]

Originally Posted by irpq11

This among other things. NO WAY the exhaust system is causing these slow accelaration times. If you build a bunch of engines and computerize them, I can see there being variances with all the little and big internal parts involved. Exhaust? No way. And it wouldn't explain the fact that the problem is only with a few. So I'm supposed to believe that the piping is somehow thinner or larger than others?

Why couldn't the exhaust be holding it back? if ya can't get he spent fuel out how do ya expect to cram fresh fuel in

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by rpepka

I have to agree sounds like to me as well. I really think the cars have been detuned intentally to put less stress on the drive train for less warrenteed repairs.

You act as if this isn't done on EVERY car. There's always a balance that needs to be struck between performance and wear and tear. They also have to account for differences between each build. No two are EXACTLY the same.

Originally Posted by aircooled

Why couldn't the exhaust be holding it back? if ya can't get he spent fuel out how do ya expect to cram fresh fuel in

It would make sense if it's happening across all cars. But it's not. Their point is that the performance of the cars vary but it's highly unlikely that the exhaust systems vary enough to cause the issues that have been seen.

I'll also add that I think the exhaust stuff is BS. It sounds like they are thinking that the GMPP exhaust might be just enough of a boost to make Scott happy. They know you've got the exhaust waiting to be installed so they are using that to hold you over.

It sounds like they have no clue wtf is going on but know there's a problem, even if they haven't admitted it yet.

They need to take a few good cars and a few bad cars and compare them. Figure out what the difference is. They need to look at their service records and find those cars that have been brought in due to this. It shouldn't be that hard to find them.

Maybe they're already doing this and we just don't know? Remember, they have to be careful of what they do/say for PR reasons. If they confirm that there's issues but don't know wtf is wrong, it's just going to cause a lot of ranting and raving on here as well as all the blogs/magazine sites. Hopefully they're working on a solution and once they get it figured out they'll announce it all at once "Yes, there's an issue and here's what we're doing to fix it" would be much better, PR wise, than "yes, there's an issue but we've got no clue". The other thing potentially throwing a wrench in all this is the LS3 transmission issues. The powertrain engineers are probably already spread pretty thing and they're having to work that issue as well.

[Mod4SS]

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

Ok latest update. They want the car Monday or Tuesday. Have to see how busy the shop is. GM wants all kinds of reading off the exhaust in different places. Then they said go ahead and put the GMMP axle back on and take the readings again and do 0-60 runs. Guess they are thinking the exhaust my be causing issues and holding the thing back.

If all else fails, you could follow the suggestion in the 2010 Camaro Owners Manual which states:

"The BBB Auto Line Program is an out of court program administered by the Council of Better Business Bureaus to settle automotive disputes regarding vehicle repairs or the interpretation of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Although you may be required to resort to this informal dispute resolution program prior to filing a court action, use of the program is free of charge and your case will generally be heard within 40 days. If you do not agree with the decision given in your case, you may reject it and proceed with any other venue for relief available to you. You may contact the BBB Auto Line Program using the toll-free telephone number or write them at the following address:

BBB Auto Line Program
Council of Better Business
Bureaus, Inc.
4200 Wilson Boulevard
Suite 800
Arlington, VA 22203-1838
Telephone: 1-800-955-5100
www.dr.bbb.org/goauto

[LabRat]

Originally Posted by aircooled

Why couldn't the exhaust be holding it back? if ya can't get he spent fuel out how do ya expect to cram fresh fuel in

Too True

Too True

Suck Squeeze Bang Blow

Mess up any of the four, and you are FUBAR


LabRat

[camaro1]

exhaust is not holding the car back,, look at the inside of the factory muffler, it is just a straight pipe,, no power to be gained from just a muffler swap on these cars


even the resonator on the L99 cars is straight through,, when i cut mine off for the x-pipe you could see right straight through it!