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Old 06-19-2012, 11:17 AM   #15
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Good to know we have some change in our back pocket.
Hopefully GM will work it out. What good is a fast car if you can't shift it smoothly?
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #16
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.7 secs with a missed shift over 260 lbs more weight and 82 less hp thats awesome. I am not buying this car for the drag strip but i would have loved to see more power and a closer time or even better time then the gt500 there as well but it is what it is. they are both great cars but I cant wait to get my zl1 and add power
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #17
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:24 AM   #18
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Pretty much. But I think the ZL1 is the better car because it does all things well. The GT500 is a one trick straight line pony.
Don't get me wrong the article shows the ZL1 is a monster at a road course but the mustang was 99.3 percent of the same lap time as the Z. How does that make the mustang a one trick pony?

For reference the Z is only 93% percent as quick in a straight line.

What stands out to me is the Z handling characteristics seem awsome. But calling the GT500 when it's with in 1/2 of a percent of a lap time in pretty blind. Still bravo to the camaro engineering crew.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:29 AM   #19
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the mustang was 99.3 percent of the same lap time as the Z. How does that make the mustang a one trick pony?

For reference the Z is only 93% percent as quick in a straight line.

What stands out to me is the Z handling characteristics seem awsome. But calling the GT500 when it's with in 1/2 of a percent of a lap time in pretty blind. Still bravo to the camaro engineering crew.
Wanna play "percentages"?

ZL1 = 7.10 lb/hp

500 = 5.77 lb/hp

24.6% DISADVANTAGE

Here's a couple more:

ZL1 = 52/48 weight distribution

500 = 57/43...

Damn straight, "bravo to the [C]amaro engineering crew"

End of story...
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:32 AM   #20
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"I wanted the ZL1 to win, because from an on-track handling perspective the car is simply leagues ahead of the clumsy GT500. "

Ok call it a win. But why oh why would someone go on record as saying they wanted another car to win a comparison. That taints the entire premise of the article. The comparison is not objective now.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:37 AM   #21
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Great review on this particular test, but I suspect the "Tomorrow, we’ll run the two cars at the drag strip to record quarter-mile times and consistency" will be a bit differant. The final road test should favor the Camaro
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:37 AM   #22
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:40 AM   #23
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[QUOTE=adamgl;5152287]"Entering the turns, the Shelby displays a boatload of body roll. That's not completely surprising given the GT500's humble origins, but I expected more from the Bilstein two-mode adjustable shocks, which are part of the $3495 Performance Package. The car wallows like a stuck pig and I desperately attempted to load up the outside wheels on corner entry. Despite my best efforts, I couldn't calm the Shelby to precisely attack a corner. To make matters worse, the understeer in the fast turns was significant, meaning I was unable to carry the speed through the important fast sections of the lap.

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Don't get me wrong the article shows the ZL1 is a monster at a road course but the mustang was 99.3 percent of the same lap time as the Z. How does that make the mustang a one trick pony?

For reference the Z is only 93% percent as quick in a straight line.

What stands out to me is the Z handling characteristics seem awsome. But calling the GT500 when it's with in 1/2 of a percent of a lap time in pretty blind. Still bravo to the camaro engineering crew.
Just going on his comments, It doesn't corner well. Its power keeps it close. Add the same power upgrades (Headers, pullies, heat ex.) to both platforms and the gap will get worse for the GT500.

And to mention the price difference, almost $5,000 as tested. That could buy Intercooler, pullies, CAI, tune, head and supercharger porting. What would the time diff. be then?
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:40 AM   #24
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Even with a lower weight and more power the ZL1 Camaro still produces faster lap times then the Mustang GT500 which I find impressive.
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What I gather from this test is that, the writer or professional driver, drove the same car on the same track, with the same conditions, and on the same day. He pointed out one fact and that is the ability to handle the rear end of the GT500 when it came loose exiting the turn. The average driver (buyer), most likely, will not be able to handle and probably crash. In short, he drove the ZL1 effortlessly, which made him smile. Despite the miss shifts, he still was able to turn a good time. The GT500 had great acceleration on the straights but too much body roll on turns. The victory may not be clear to some, but for me, driver of twisties, the ZL1 is for me. That, plus the fact that we don't have a drag strip anymore.
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"I wanted the ZL1 to win, because from an on-track handling perspective the car is simply leagues ahead of the clumsy GT500. "

Ok call it a win. But why oh why would someone go on record as saying they wanted another car to win a comparison. That taints the entire premise of the article. The comparison is not objective now.
Probably said it because of the horsepower and weight disadvantage. Had to be convinced that the MRC will work.
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And to mention the price difference, almost $5,000 as tested. That could buy Intercooler, pullies, CAI, tune, head and supercharger porting. What would the time diff. be then?
2013 Ford Shelby GT500 coupe

PRICE AS TESTED: $63,080

2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 coupe

PRICE AS TESTED: $58,335

Don't forget to account for intagible costs of ownership. That would be value lost from the ZL1.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:49 AM   #28
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"I wanted the ZL1 to win, because from an on-track handling perspective the car is simply leagues ahead of the clumsy GT500. "

Ok call it a win. But why oh why would someone go on record as saying they wanted another car to win a comparison. That taints the entire premise of the article. The comparison is not objective now.
Ya, but almost anyone would prefer one or the other after testing them both. He just told the truth.

If you're on a drag strip or huge drag racing fan you'd probably prefer the GT500.
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