TSW Nurburgring 20" Rims

[BUZZCAMARO]

FINALLY ! ! !

Got 'em !

Also, I got a set of PFADT lowering springs sitting here in the box waiting to make it look evan more supercar.

I was just about to start the install of my newly arrived Elite catch can and CAI cold-air intake, when the store called to tell me they were in.

In case you have not read my earlier posts here are the stats: 20" x 9" 275/40/20 front and 20" x 10" 295/40/20 rear with Contenental DWS all seasons.


I could tell the difference in weight as soon as I pulled off the Discount Tire lot, it feels more nimble and there is less "land yaht" feel due to dumping the stock size tires (245/55/18). I noticed a bit of road noise whine but than these are wider, and it is nothing to complain about.

I didn't have time to do any kind paint job on the calipers but I have plans for that a.s.a.p. It seems the center caps "TSW" is a good spot for a custom set or maybe just paint an IOM ring around them.

BTW while these were being put on, I walked across the street to a Ford dealership which had a used '12 Shelby GT500 which had a set of Nurburgrings on it, tires badly worn out. But note of interest was that the fronts were 19"s and the rear 20" (had 265 front and 285 rear tires).

This was taken on an Iphone 4, I looked at some of the still shots taken and a movie just shows so much more, if a pic speaks a thousand words, a movie speaks a million.

Click on QUALITY and choose 720 HD and FULL SREEN, crank up the volume for best experience

[rickyrocket]

Looks great !!!

[BUZZCAMARO]

The only thing I don't like is that it seems the fronts stick out more than it seems some of the others with same size wheel/tires.

I measured my tires (295's and 275's) using a caliper which reaches the widest point of the tire, the center of the sidewalls:

Rear: 11.7" Front: 10.5"

I wish TSW would make it an 8" width with a +35 offset. I plan on doing some study of what offset means, but does a +35 stick out farther than a +20? Because some of the pics of 10"s on the front looks like they stick out less than the 9"s.



I really like them allot, love the rear but at some angles it looks like a cross-over from the front cause of them sticking out so far. I think 245 is the most narrow tire that can be mounted on 9" rim, would this make a big difference if I had 245's or 255's mounted on them?

I looked to see if they put spacers on them, I'm not sure what it would look like but I don't see them. I will ask them in person today about that and my questions about the other issues. I just don't see how it would be possible to lower it 1.25" with the springs I got from PFADT sitting here in the box.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by BUZZCAMARO

The only thing I don't like is that it seems the fronts stick out more than it seems some of the others with same size wheel/tires.

I measured my tires (295's and 275's) using a caliper which reaches the widest point of the tire, the center of the sidewalls:

Rear: 12.5" Front: 10.5"

I wish TSW would make it an 8" width with a +35 offset. I plan on doing some study of what offset means, but does a +35 stick out farther than a +20? Because some of the pics of 10"s on the front looks like they stick out less than the 9"s.



I really like them allot, love the rear but at some angles it looks like a cross-over from the front cause of them sticking out so far. I think 245 is the most narrow tire that can be mounted on 9" rim, would this make a big difference if I had 245's or 255's mounted on them?

I looked to see if they put spacers on them, I'm not sure what it would look like but I don't see them. I will ask them in person today about that and my questions about the other issues. I just don't see how it would be possible to lower it 1.25" with the springs I got from PFADT sitting here in the box.

Weird they really do stick out in front like the ZL-1 wheel but yours is 9" not 10". weird.

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by BUZZCAMARO

The only thing I don't like is that it seems the fronts stick out more than it seems some of the others with same size wheel/tires.

I measured my tires (295's and 275's) using a caliper which reaches the widest point of the tire, the center of the sidewalls:

Rear: 12.5" Front: 10.5"

I wish TSW would make it an 8" width with a +35 offset. I plan on doing some study of what offset means, but does a +35 stick out farther than a +20? Because some of the pics of 10"s on the front looks like they stick out less than the 9"s.



I really like them allot, love the rear but at some angles it looks like a cross-over from the front cause of them sticking out so far. I think 245 is the most narrow tire that can be mounted on 9" rim, would this make a big difference if I had 245's or 255's mounted on them?

I looked to see if they put spacers on them, I'm not sure what it would look like but I don't see them. I will ask them in person today about that and my questions about the other issues. I just don't see how it would be possible to lower it 1.25" with the springs I got from PFADT sitting here in the box.

I have the TSW Nurburgrings also. The larger the offset, the more tuck under the wheel well you will get. I am running 9 in the front and 10 in the rear like many on the forum. Where I am different from most is even though I have the sizes staggered, I have the same offset (+35) front and rear. This keeps the fronts tucked in an extra 15mm. I did not plan it that way... that's just how they were ordered from discount tire. I did this over two years ago, so it was a lot of guess work back then on what offsets to go with. I guess it all comes down to the look you want.

Here are some pics with my stock tires. I will be going to 275 and 315 Invos in spring.




Also... if you have gun metal like me, you may want to paint the centers to match. It gives them a much nicer look. Paint is available at Auto Zone.

[BUZZCAMARO]

Hey Newagemusscle, we are nearby.

First, I got a question about this:

I am running 9 in the front and 10 in the rear like many on the forum. Where I am different from most is even though I have the sizes staggered, I have the same offset (+35) front and rear.

Now, correct me if I"m wrong, but the Nurburgrings do not come in a +35 offset in the 9" wide x 20", they are +20 offset (like mine).. Soooo, how are your front 9" wides +35, do you have 19"s or 18"s???

I clearly see what you see in the pics of your car, they tuck under the fenders very well like they are designed to do. Mine, on the other hand stick out like I'm looking at a Ford Edge.

Now that I had a whole day to examine them, the more I look at them the more it bugs me, the back seem o.k. but just maybe a bit too close to the fenders.

I'm really confused because a mechanic told me that on a positive offset, the larger the # the farther OUT the will stick out. Now you say the opposite, I have the magazine at work which is the tire guide issue and in the back it has the explanation of offsets, plus I know it is a sticky here too, I'll read up on it.

So I did go back to Discount Tire, they need to re-torque the lugs after a few miles anyway. They also needed to re-calibrate my TPMS's as they were off by 10 lbs.

Than after a whole day of changing it's oil for the 1st time, looking at them more, getting an estimate for the springs to be installed.. Well, I just think there is something terribly wrong with the way the fronts stick out so far. (Keep in mind, the fronts are 275/40/20 on 9" N-rings with +20 offset)

In some of the pics here of the size mine has, it seemed to be a little issue, but somehow on mine it looks waaay off. Discount Tire said they did NOT use any spacers btw.

What am I planing on doing? Well, until I find out why yours (Newagemuscle) are well tucked under the fenders, I can't do too much..so please assist, meanwhile I can search your build or previous posts to find out.

What I had started to plan on doing was this: Remove the front tires and wheels and buy a set of the 19" N-rings in the 8" width, and THEY ARE +35 OFFSET. I've checked their website on all of this info, thus the confusion. THan, I'd have to not only buy a new set of wheels, but also tires, and on the 8" width I'd go with either 245 or 255, if I want to nail the overall diameter I'd go with the 245/50/19 BUT IF I did that tire size, I'd have to choose another brand of tires cause the Contin. do not come that size. Nitto Motivo does, and it's tempting to do that.

So I'd have 20"x10" +35 offset rear, and 19"x 8" +35 offset on the front. Evan if rubbing was not an issue, (after lowering), I think that would make it look evan cooler, less "pimpy" more sporty. Keep in mind I plan on lowering it 1.25". I felt underneath the front wheels and there seems to be the base of the shock absorber about 1/2" from the tire, no room for anything risky.

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by BUZZCAMARO

Hey Newagemusscle, we are nearby.

First, I got a question about this:

I am running 9 in the front and 10 in the rear like many on the forum. Where I am different from most is even though I have the sizes staggered, I have the same offset (+35) front and rear.

Now, correct me if I"m wrong, but the Nurburgrings do not come in a +35 offset in the 9" wide x 20", they are +20 offset (like mine).. Soooo, how are your front 9" wides +35, do you have 19"s or 18"s???

I clearly see what you see in the pics of your car, they tuck under the fenders very well like they are designed to do. Mine, on the other hand stick out like I'm looking at a Ford Edge.

Now that I had a whole day to examine them, the more I look at them the more it bugs me, the back seem o.k. but just maybe a bit too close to the fenders.

I'm really confused because a mechanic told me that on a positive offset, the larger the # the farther OUT the will stick out. Now you say the opposite, I have the magazine at work which is the tire guide issue and in the back it has the explanation of offsets, plus I know it is a sticky here too, I'll read up on it.

So I did go back to Discount Tire, they need to re-torque the lugs after a few miles anyway. They also needed to re-calibrate my TPMS's as they were off by 10 lbs.

Than after a whole day of changing it's oil for the 1st time, looking at them more, getting an estimate for the springs to be installed.. Well, I just think there is something terribly wrong with the way the fronts stick out so far. (Keep in mind, the fronts are 275/40/20 on 9" N-rings with +20 offset)

In some of the pics here of the size mine has, it seemed to be a little issue, but somehow on mine it looks waaay off. Discount Tire said they did NOT use any spacers btw.

What am I planing on doing? Well, until I find out why yours (Newagemuscle) are well tucked under the fenders, I can't do too much..so please assist, meanwhile I can search your build or previous posts to find out.

What I had started to plan on doing was this: Remove the front tires and wheels and buy a set of the 19" N-rings in the 8" width, and THEY ARE +35 OFFSET. I've checked their website on all of this info, thus the confusion. THan, I'd have to not only buy a new set of wheels, but also tires, and on the 8" width I'd go with either 245 or 255, if I want to nail the overall diameter I'd go with the 245/50/19 BUT IF I did that tire size, I'd have to choose another brand of tires cause the Contin. do not come that size. Nitto Motivo does, and it's tempting to do that.

So I'd have 20's on the back and 19"s on the rear, evan if the width was not an issue, I think this makes it look evan cooler, less "pimpy" more sporty. Keep in mind I plan on lowering it 1.25". I felt underneath the front wheels and there seems to be the base of the shock absorgber about 1/2" from the tire, no room for anything risky.

The TSW Nurburgrings in a 20 inch, 9 inch wide WERE available in two offsets, +20 and +35. (+20) is what most have on this site and (+35) is what I have. I went on their site and now all the show is +20. Maybe they discontinued the +35 offset. You may want to call Discount Tire and have them check. I have had people question me that have the same wheels on their car. They ask why mine don’t stick out as far as theirs do. The higher the offset, the more it will tuck under the wheel well. In my opinion a 10.5 with a +45 would be perfect to putt some 315’s on, but we don’t have that option. I originally tried the 10.5, but with the standard offset the stuck out past my wheel well. The boxes mine came in are say +35 and it is also stamped on the inside of my wheel.

As for your offset being aggressive… that look is kind of in right now. If you look at the ZL1 it has a very aggressive offset up front too.
Keep in mind when I spoke to TSW a couple of years ago they told me that these wheels technically where not designed for our cars. However, they will fit. They told me these were designed more for the European market cars, such as, BMW, Mercedes…

As for a high positive offset sticking out further… I am no expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt. All I know is when I compare my wheels side by side to a wheel that has a +20, mine are tucked further in. You may want to contact Nineball on this forum. He seems to know his stuff when it comes to this. There is also wheel Back Spacing that may need to be taken into consideration. Maybe that changes when the Offsets change.

See below:


BTW… you said you are nearby. Where do you live? I am in Macomb TWP.

[rtcat600man]

Originally Posted by BUZZCAMARO

Hey Newagemusscle, we are nearby.

First, I got a question about this:

I am running 9 in the front and 10 in the rear like many on the forum. Where I am different from most is even though I have the sizes staggered, I have the same offset (+35) front and rear.

Now, correct me if I"m wrong, but the Nurburgrings do not come in a +35 offset in the 9" wide x 20", they are +20 offset (like mine).. Soooo, how are your front 9" wides +35, do you have 19"s or 18"s???

I clearly see what you see in the pics of your car, they tuck under the fenders very well like they are designed to do. Mine, on the other hand stick out like I'm looking at a Ford Edge.

Now that I had a whole day to examine them, the more I look at them the more it bugs me, the back seem o.k. but just maybe a bit too close to the fenders.

I'm really confused because a mechanic told me that on a positive offset, the larger the # the farther OUT the will stick out. Now you say the opposite, I have the magazine at work which is the tire guide issue and in the back it has the explanation of offsets, plus I know it is a sticky here too, I'll read up on it.

So I did go back to Discount Tire, they need to re-torque the lugs after a few miles anyway. They also needed to re-calibrate my TPMS's as they were off by 10 lbs.

Than after a whole day of changing it's oil for the 1st time, looking at them more, getting an estimate for the springs to be installed.. Well, I just think there is something terribly wrong with the way the fronts stick out so far. (Keep in mind, the fronts are 275/40/20 on 9" N-rings with +20 offset)

In some of the pics here of the size mine has, it seemed to be a little issue, but somehow on mine it looks waaay off. Discount Tire said they did NOT use any spacers btw.

What am I planing on doing? Well, until I find out why yours (Newagemuscle) are well tucked under the fenders, I can't do too much..so please assist, meanwhile I can search your build or previous posts to find out.

What I had started to plan on doing was this: Remove the front tires and wheels and buy a set of the 19" N-rings in the 8" width, and THEY ARE +35 OFFSET. I've checked their website on all of this info, thus the confusion. THan, I'd have to not only buy a new set of wheels, but also tires, and on the 8" width I'd go with either 245 or 255, if I want to nail the overall diameter I'd go with the 245/50/19 BUT IF I did that tire size, I'd have to choose another brand of tires cause the Contin. do not come that size. Nitto Motivo does, and it's tempting to do that.

So I'd have 20's on the back and 19"s on the rear, evan if the width was not an issue, I think this makes it look evan cooler, less "pimpy" more sporty. Keep in mind I plan on lowering it 1.25". I felt underneath the front wheels and there seems to be the base of the shock absorgber about 1/2" from the tire, no room for anything risky.

Time to step in and throw my 2 cents into the ring.

Nurburgrings do come in 20 X 9 with +35 offset.

Take a look at their website at TSW.com

This is a .JPG from their site.



I have the + 20 offset and like the look in all 4 corners. I have had many who compliment how well it fills the wheel well. But I understand not everyone may like this set-up.

NEWAGE and I have discussed the wheels many times over the past year as we are both in the same DETOIT 5TH GEN CAMARO CLUB.

Good Luck and keep us posted on what you decide to do.

[newagemuscle]

Thanks Mike... don't know how i missed that on the site. If it makes you feel better... if i were to do it again i would probably go +20 in the front. No i don't want to swap... lol. Like i said, when i did mine my car was like a lab rat. I had no one to go to except the 16 year old experts at discount tire.

[BUZZCAMARO]

Thanks for the advice N.A.M. AND RT. I think I'm starting to "get it".

I now get the explanation about the offsets, thanks.

The advice about how the ZL1 looks was dead on, I get your point, that aggressive offset is kind of a style. So I went to youtube and your right, than I went for a drive to the dealership, there was one guy there (closed) said "can I help you". Looking at my car I started to explain what I was looking for, he said "we have a ZL1 in the show room, we went in and it's front wheels/tires stick out exactly as far as mine do. He pointed out there was a flap around the front of the front tires on the front facia which is also a hair wider. Also he said the ZL1 is a bit lower, but the gap between the top of the tire and fender was exact to mine, about 3 fingers. BTW, it is hard to find/see a ZL1, this one was ordered for the showroom, not a customer's order, it was black on black at Dick Genthie in Southgate (48195) in case somebody around here wants to see one in person.

So now, I'm kinda letting go on that idea about buying a set of 19"s for the front.

Only ONE problem for me remains, and that is the lowering springs, the guy at teh dealership advised against them, for one thing, warranty issues. I was advised against them by the shop that (Auto-Lab) I had plans to install them tomorrow.

About the offsets, I went to the TSW website, and yes, they still offer the +35 offset on the 20" x 9", so it was Discount Tire that ordered them that way, I want to talk to them in person a.s.a.p. I bet they will tell me that the computer told them that the +35's would not fit my car with that particular set of tires.

N.A.M...What size tires do you got on it now? And, are you sure that when you put on the new Nitto 275 on the front they will clear? All I know is that when I reach my hand inside the fender between the top of tire and the fender and reach to the shock housing, it feels like one finger width gap there. So let me know about this, you'll probably need to go there in person for the most accurate info or talk to other experts.

The last and most important issue still remaining is that I have the set of PFADT lowering springs, but it seems as if it were lowered, that if I were to hit a bump, they'd hit the fender edge. I know many with this same exact size wheel/tire also have lowering springs. I think maybe why mine seem so close to the fender is that I have 'ALL SEASON tires, not summer/performance tires. The shape of the side wall is wider and rounder if I'm correct. Just 1/2" could make the difference between rubs and no rubs. I think the best advise I could get would be from Discount tire, just tell them I got to have it lowered and what can I do to stop them from rubbing. They'd probably say I could put on slightly more narrow tires, like a 255/45/20, might be just the amount I need to make space for lowering it 1.25". Or, depending on the answer about the offsets, exhange my front wheels for +35s and keep the same tires. We'll find out soon.

I've held a straight edge across the wheel/tires and the front and rear have almost exactly the same gaps, they protrude about 1/4" outside of the top of the center of the fenders. And the widest point was the center of the side walls, if the wheels had no tires on them, they'd be flush or maybe inside about 1/4".
This doesn't seem to bug me now that I know a ZL1 is the same way. I'll be re-reading the posts of those that are lowered for clues about my rub fears and, or, if I really would get rubs.

[Sleepy]

If I were you, I'd get an alignment to ZL1 spec. 2LS has -0.2 deg front camber. ZL1 is -1.0. This will bring the top of the tires in about 1/4" by tilting them in and reduce understeer at the same time.

[BUZZCAMARO]

I've gone to Discount Tire and ordered a replacement set for the front. Yep, they are sending back the +20 o.s. for =+35s.
TSW will probably have them here by Saturday.

The deal is this, I pay for shipping of them back to TSW and also for shipping the replacements from them, plus labor to install them. I grabbed at that deal without question, and if I end up with rubs after it gets lowered, than I can try different tire widths.

The + 20 offset profile may appeal to some but it does not to me, (stick out too far). Plus they seem as if the fenders would rub if I had it lowered. Now, all I got to worry about is if they rub the shock perchs, but I don't see how that could happen when many here have theirs lowered and have 10's with +35 offsets.

A few months ago I bought the "Ultimate Tire and Wheel guide" issue of one of the car mags, besides all the glossy color ads, there is many pages explaining everything from offsets to alignments.

Also, I've noticed some negative remarks about the "paint" getting disscolored. While washing the gunk off from the shop hours after they were installed, I noticed the finish on them seemed to be somewhat discolored just from shop oils and or the quickie silicone wash coat they apply. I had also assumed like many others these were powder coated But to be forewarned is forarmed, I won't be using strong tire and wheel cleaners on them, only dishsoap and maybe evan keep some kind of satin finish protectants. I would have them powdercoated if the finish turned ugly, why didn't they do it? You buy a $140 catch can that is, and each wheel is more than 2x that, and these are where the finish could and will degrade and show.

When the new set is installed I'll post some pics but I won't really get my rocks off till it's lowered

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by BUZZCAMARO

I've gone to Discount Tire and ordered a replacement set for the front. Yep, they are sending back the +20 o.s. for =+35s.
TSW will probably have them here by Saturday.

The deal is this, I pay for shipping of them back to TSW and also for shipping the replacements from them, plus labor to install them. I grabbed at that deal without question, and if I end up with rubs after it gets lowered, than I can try different tire widths.

The + 20 offset profile may appeal to some but it does not to me, (stick out too far). Plus they seem as if the fenders would rub if I had it lowered. Now, all I got to worry about is if they rub the shock perchs, but I don't see how that could happen when many here have theirs lowered and have 10's with +35 offsets.

A few months ago I bought the "Ultimate Tire and Wheel guide" issue of one of the car mags, besides all the glossy color ads, there is many pages explaining everything from offsets to alignments.

Also, I've noticed some negative remarks about the "paint" getting disscolored. While washing the gunk off from the shop hours after they were installed, I noticed the finish on them seemed to be somewhat discolored just from shop oils and or the quickie silicone wash coat they apply. I had also assumed like many others these were powder coated But to be forewarned is forarmed, I won't be using strong tire and wheel cleaners on them, only dishsoap and maybe evan keep some kind of satin finish protectants. I would have them powdercoated if the finish turned ugly, why didn't they do it? You buy a $140 catch can that is, and each wheel is more than 2x that, and these are where the finish could and will degrade and show.

When the new set is installed I'll post some pics but I won't really get my rocks off till it's lowered

I'm really curious how your fit upfront will be with a 275 and the +35 offset. That is what i plan on doing in spring. As for the finish, mine look the same as the did the day i got them. I only use car was soap on them and dry them right of way with my leaf blower and i have no water spots. I have had them 2 years.

[Jim Burke]

Does anyone have any pics of a black Camaro with the Bronze 20" Nurburgring's? I think that would be a nice lookin set-up

Thanks,

Jim

[newagemuscle]

I know one of these tsw Nurburgring's threads has some. It looks great.

[BUZZCAMARO]

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

I'm really curious how your fit upfront will be with a 275 and the +35 offset. That is what i plan on doing in spring. As for the finish, mine look the same as the did the day i got them. I only use car was soap on them and dry them right of way with my leaf blower and i have no water spots. I have had them 2 years.

Just got the +35 offset installed today (in exchange for the +20 offset). I know that is only a difference of 15 mm. or slightly more than 1/2" but it really does make a noticeable difference to me. For one thing, I like it better having them tucked under the fender more, not sticking out. Plus it seemed as if it would have been impossible to have my PFADT springs installed (1.25" lower). I had searched about the threads but it seems that the data eluded me or it wasn't there.

My new video:

I'm satisfied to the point I ponder the question that I should get the lowering springs installed. They are sitting here in the boxes, I found a shop nearby to install them that "gets it" about timing the bushings. It may look so good I will just sit here looking at it all day So, maybe the follow-up with it lowered will be my next posting.

[BUZZCAMARO]

Well, "pondered" the thought of not getting the springs installed for about 1 minute total

They were installed yesterday, I like the looks much better. It doesn't drive any harsher than before, just slightly firmer.

As for handling, there is less bouncy-bouncy feel like a luxury family sedan, more sport appeal.

I took it for ride which included about 30 miles of freeway, and was very proud of it all the way, I evan felt sorry for the shlubs around me, especially when I'd put the pedal to the metal.


This vid is bit too dark but if you watch on youtube with the quality set on 780 you can see more detail. I think a 1/8" pinstripe of the body color around the outer edge of the wheel or on the tire would really set them off.

Added photo with painted calipers >>>>