Ram-air Design Idea

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by erasedgod

It's good enough for a casual discussion. He isn't doing his thesis here.

Not to mention that wikipedia articles do have citations.

[69 Hugger]

They'll make a Cold Air Intake and if you want to get more air into the motor changing the Mass Air sensor will do it. About 300.00 Hundred for the MAS.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by 69 Hugger

They'll make a Cold Air Intake and if you want to get more air into the motor changing the Mass Air sensor will do it. About 300.00 Hundred for the MAS.

and if its anything like the MAF's for 4th gens, you are better off sticking with your stock one and geting ported ends.

aftermarket maf's are great for stock or lightly modded motors, but they dont do very well when it comes to tuning


then again, there's always speed density mode

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Dan

An F22 and a Blackbird can go fast enough to see a pressure change and a ram effect, a car cannot. Reading that it can on wikipedia is about as much use as asking someone on the street since it is written by whoever thinks they know what they are talking about.

I was explaining the existence of something you claimed doesn't exist. Please explain why it's useless on a car motor.
CLUE: google...cold air density and venturi effect

[69 Hugger]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

and if its anything like the MAF's for 4th gens, you are better off sticking with your stock one and geting ported ends.

aftermarket maf's are great for stock or lightly modded motors, but they dont do very well when it comes to tuning


then again, there's always speed density mode

Yea that would be the one MAFs

[baileyrx]

for corvette they make something called the "vette-air", it helps "shove" air up & into the filter. It has been shown/proven to help 1/4 mile times and trap speeds!
But it does not show any gains on the dyno...
due to the fact that it only helps when the car is actually moving air and being "forced"

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by 69 Hugger

Yea that would be the one MAFs

yeah, but my point is aftermarket maf's arent worth the money if you plan on doing a lot of modding/tuning with the car.

Originally Posted by baileyrx

for corvette they make something called the "vette-air", it helps "shove" air up & into the filter. It has been shown/proven to help 1/4 mile times and trap speeds!
But it does not show any gains on the dyno...
due to the fact that it only helps when the car is actually moving air and being "forced"

same concept as this.....
http://www.lt1engine.com/tech/f-body-lt1-free-ram-air/

only you have a RCAI..... Ram Cold Air Intake....


you are basically supplementing the cold air intake of the vette with the "ram air" box. you are basically giving the incoming air a route in which to flow smoother instead of it just coming from all directions

[CamaroSpike23]

ok.... got to see what kyle was thinking... not a bad idea....

in fact it's already in use with the Holden Commodores and Utes







however, you still need to work out the fitment issues with the intake in front of the hood latch

[SoFlaZ]

My friends Kia had an intake like on that BMW ^^. We took it off an put on a K&N cone and gained more hp with the filter bringing in air from the engine bay. I can't prove the power gains but he keeps up better when we accelerate up to the speed limit as fast as we can.LOL But I'm sure the air temp will be lower like that.

This is what I want to get on my Camaro, just a simple cone filter with an enclosed box around it. Also a fat Strut brace like in the picture. (GTO)

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by SoFlaZ

My friends Kia had an intake like on that BMW ^^. We took it off an put on a K&N cone and gained more hp with the filter bringing in air from the engine bay. I can't prove the power gains but he keeps up better when we accelerate up to the speed limit as fast as we can.LOL But I'm sure the air temp will be lower like that.

This is what I want to get on my Camaro, just a simple cone filter with an enclosed box around it. Also a fat Strut brace like in the picture. (GTO)

I think it had a lot to do with a freer-flowing filter, not the fact that it was moved to the engine bay.

[swifttal]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I think it had a lot to do with a freer-flowing filter, not the fact that it was moved to the engine bay.

Just guessing, but that's the stock location

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by swifttal

Just guessing, but that's the stock location

Yeah, but he was referring to moving it from the above position in the commodore/ute to where it was in his picture...This is where the stock location for the Camaro will be!

[Dan]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

I was explaining the existence of something you claimed doesn't exist. Please explain why it's useless on a car motor.
CLUE: google...cold air density and venturi effect

For exactly the reason I stated. A car cannot go fast enough to introduce any pressure differential just by moving through the air. Gas is considered incompressible when the speed is below .3 mach which is about 230 mph depending on altitude. In other words, unless you can go faster then that, ram air doesn't exist.

[camaro5]

Don't tell the Pontiac Ram Air boys that. Cowl induction, Trans Am shakers, Corvette Z06 and ZR1 front fascia scoops, even NASCAR race cars use an air pick-up at the base of the windshield (cowl induction) to utilize the pressure coming off the windshield. Either many a horsepower has been gained with ram air, or an awful lot of people and engineers are full of garbage. IDK...