Methanol

[rhunley14]

Where is a good place to get methanol? Is there any other products that mimic this?

[chappy48]

Any performance shop should be able to sell it too you. Heard from someone that windshield washer fluid could work in an emergency. Me personally though...I won't touch the stuff. None of the systems are reliable enough imho and if they go...so does your engine. Not to say there aren't a ton of people out there running it with no problem. I just won't take that risk.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by rhunley14

Where is a good place to get methanol? Is there any other products that mimic this?

Race shops usually have it.

• Snow Performance sells 51/49 water/methanol mix as Boost Juice™ (see products). If this is used exclusively, Snow Performance can lifetime warranty a system so long as the free registration card is sent in soon after purchase.
• Methanol can generally be purchased where racing fuels are sold. Also, most gas line dryers like "Heet" are simply methanol. Suppliers of industrial chemicals can also supply methanol for a very reasonable price. Ensure that the methanol is "neat" and therefore has no additives or lubricants added by the supplier.
• -20 degree F rated, blue windshield washer fluid is acceptable for use as well, and is available at most service stations. Although some fluids rated to under -20 degrees F contain glycol and other copolymers, most windshield washer fluids are up to 40% methanol. Try to find one that displays "contains methanol" on the label and is good to -20 degrees F, with no additives or special ingredients and is blue in color.
• Methanol can be purchased on the web at www.worldwideracingfuels.com and www.hiperfuels.com.
• Additionally, many sprint car drivers and circle track and drag racers use methanol as a primary fuel. They often have methanol on hand and will even sell methanol that has been un-sealed for a long time at a very low price. Just be sure that the methanol has NO additives or lubricants (such as top lube), as they are not needed and can damage the pump.

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by chappy48

Any performance shop should be able to sell it too you. Heard from someone that windshield washer fluid could work in an emergency. Me personally though...I won't touch the stuff. None of the systems are reliable enough imho and if they go...so does your engine. Not to say there aren't a ton of people out there running it with no problem. I just won't take that risk.

There are safeties built into the tune to account for meth system failures. Most of them are IAT based

[chappy48]

Originally Posted by BLACK10

There are safeties built into the tune to account for meth system failures. Most of them are IAT based

Funny you posted that after a guy that had a costly meth failure lol. I'm not an expert by any means, but from experience and what I've been told by people that do this for a living...meth is not the way to go. Just adding meth with no tuning does nothing (from what I understand). Tuning for extra power, because of meth, puts you in the danger zone if it fails. To me...that's not a product I would want in my car. If I want more power, I will use race gas and increase the boost.

[Tibo1LE]

Winshield washer Pacer -35!!!50/50 water-meth!!!that's what I used in my celica at 100% of the time!! My 2000 celica = 1.8 with a Garrett gt3076r@24psi 543whp

[Smart Line]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Race shops usually have it.

• Snow Performance sells 51/49 water/methanol mix as Boost Juice™ (see products). If this is used exclusively, Snow Performance can lifetime warranty a system so long as the free registration card is sent in soon after purchase.
• Methanol can generally be purchased where racing fuels are sold. Also, most gas line dryers like "Heet" are simply methanol. Suppliers of industrial chemicals can also supply methanol for a very reasonable price. Ensure that the methanol is "neat" and therefore has no additives or lubricants added by the supplier.
• -20 degree F rated, blue windshield washer fluid is acceptable for use as well, and is available at most service stations. Although some fluids rated to under -20 degrees F contain glycol and other copolymers, most windshield washer fluids are up to 40% methanol. Try to find one that displays "contains methanol" on the label and is good to -20 degrees F, with no additives or special ingredients and is blue in color.
• Methanol can be purchased on the web at www.worldwideracingfuels.com and www.hiperfuels.com.
• Additionally, many sprint car drivers and circle track and drag racers use methanol as a primary fuel. They often have methanol on hand and will even sell methanol that has been un-sealed for a long time at a very low price. Just be sure that the methanol has NO additives or lubricants (such as top lube), as they are not needed and can damage the pump.

I buy it by the 55 gallon drum 100% meth, 2.20 a gallon.
Just have not added it to the car yet used for Go carts.and
other race applications...

[stevieturbo]

Originally Posted by chappy48

Funny you posted that after a guy that had a costly meth failure lol. I'm not an expert by any means, but from experience and what I've been told by people that do this for a living...meth is not the way to go. Just adding meth with no tuning does nothing (from what I understand). Tuning for extra power, because of meth, puts you in the danger zone if it fails. To me...that's not a product I would want in my car. If I want more power, I will use race gas and increase the boost.

If you tune it in such a way a failure will cause damage. The damage isnt a result of the failure, it's a result of whoever tuned it that way.

For a foolproof setup and if your ecu allows it, AEM offer a flow meter with a 0-5v output which can be used to apply any fuel/timing adjustments

IAT is another option, but it does make a lot of assumptions and isnt the best way to do it. But it can work.

And race gas isnt practical for a road car. Fine when racing though

[Whipped416]

Get an alky Control kit from julio and be done with it... Lots of saftey features to let you know if anything would ever happen..

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by stevieturbo

If you tune it in such a way a failure will cause damage. The damage isnt a result of the failure, it's a result of whoever tuned it that way.

For a foolproof setup and if your ecu allows it, AEM offer a flow meter with a 0-5v output which can be used to apply any fuel/timing adjustments

IAT is another option, but it does make a lot of assumptions and isnt the best way to do it. But it can work.

And race gas isnt practical for a road car. Fine when racing though

I agree with the tuning is the most important factor, but please reread what I said. I mentioned that iats are one way of tuning for it. Almost 90% of our fi cars run 100% meth.

Also, a fuel pump can fail just as easy causing motor failure. As long as its fully understood, there is nothing wrong with using methanol

[rhunley14]

Black10.. Some I'm clear on this.. If I have a tank that is empty is there any chance in boost to hurt engine.. Or is it in boost methanol runs out then there's issues.. Can you clarify..

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by chappy48

Funny you posted that after a guy that had a costly meth failure lol. I'm not an expert by any means, but from experience and what I've been told by people that do this for a living...meth is not the way to go. Just adding meth with no tuning does nothing (from what I understand). Tuning for extra power, because of meth, puts you in the danger zone if it fails. To me...that's not a product I would want in my car. If I want more power, I will use race gas and increase the boost.

Not sure what failure you are referring to. We have never had an issue with a meth system at our shop.

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by rhunley14

Black10.. Some I'm clear on this.. If I have a tank that is empty is there any chance in boost to hurt engine.. Or is it in boost methanol runs out then there's issues.. Can you clarify..

The most dangerous time would be during boost if the meth fails, but if properly tuned, the safties should prevent damage .

[Whipped416]

yes if u are tuned for meth u need to make sure it does not go empty!! if it does dont go in boost!