Camaro ZL1 Gets Deck Plate Honing, Treatment for High-End Engines - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

FH212 · 02-15-2011, 09:53 AM

Nice info...........

Thorlius · 02-15-2011, 10:05 AM

Do they do this on the CTS-V LSA too?

Bonneville2000 · 02-15-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thorlius

Do they do this on the CTS-V LSA too?

Yes. Common process with ZR1, Z06 and CTSV and Camaro ZL1 blocks.

2SSRS-CGM · 02-15-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hairtrigger

Yes and it keeps the cylinder bores round after you bolt the head down, ensuring good ring seal which is critical for power.

Is there an echo in here?

dmiller66 · 02-15-2011, 02:22 PM

Cool and all but probably not necessary for 99.99% of us who use our cars as daily drivers.

brAnd7onX · 02-15-2011, 02:27 PM

Basically in short, this is them breaking in the engine correct? This process helps seat the rings?

2SSRS-CGM · 02-15-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brAnd7onX

Basically in short, this is them breaking in the engine correct? This process helps seat the rings?

LMAO

brantley847 · 02-15-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dmiller66

Cool and all but probably not necessary for 99.99% of us who use our cars as daily drivers.

For a reliable engine over extended years? it would relate to all of us..

However, what I don't get is it says a near perfect design based on this honing...so if that near perfect..what in the world is in our cars? Just decent? Not trying to sound whiny, just have no knowledge of this process.

camaroitalia · 02-15-2011, 02:43 PM

Interesting, dont really know what this means but interesting lol
so will it have more hp? lol

*radz28* · 02-15-2011, 02:50 PM

Deck plate honing nearly duplicates the head bolt loads that cause distortion in the block when they are screwed in. By using the same gaskets, bolts, and torquing procedure, the cylinders deform like they would after the engine is assembled. After the plate is on, honing the cylinders makes them perfectly round again thereby eliminating blow-by and keeping the cylinder shape constant, improving efficiency and getting a longer life. When the engine runs, the block actually twists and deforms, and gets pulled every which way when all the components are screwed and bolted to it. By duplicating the loads that influence the distortion, you eliminate little inconsistancies, get a happier engine that will live a longer life. This is more important when pushing a design to it's limits. The higher the performance, the less room there is for error. This process is one that racers have been using for ions, and while these little inconsistancies don't effect the engine too much, when you're looking for every little bit of power, or looking for hitting a specific safety factor when you're pushing the envelop, this is one of the tools one can use to nearly assure the best running and longest lasting engine possible. If you've ever heard of engine blue-printing - this is an element of that process.

My 5th · 02-15-2011, 03:03 PM

When I had the LT-1 engine built for my '73 Corvette in 1975 the engine builder used a torque plate, and a few years later the engine was checked by a local guy who ran Top Fuel dragsters and he told me my engine had better leak-down than his mega-buck Top Fuel engines. I definitely think it's worth it.

dragon22 · 02-15-2011, 03:08 PM

WOW! That is really something! AND it makes so much sense. I've been a licensed mechanic for 28 years and knew nothing of this process. Mind you, I've never been into building high performance engines, but I'm glad I learned about this process.

Can never be too information savvy! LOL

justmeron · 02-15-2011, 04:57 PM

Wouldn't you think this process would be used on all the engines for a better product?

Synerbee · 02-15-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by justmeron

Wouldn't you think this process would be used on all the engines for a better product?

It cost factor that probably preventing them from doing that, and extra time.

02-15-2011, 09:53 AM	#15
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02-15-2011, 02:43 PM	#23
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02-15-2011, 02:50 PM	#24
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,185 View My Garage	Deck plate honing nearly duplicates the head bolt loads that cause distortion in the block when they are screwed in. By using the same gaskets, bolts, and torquing procedure, the cylinders deform like they would after the engine is assembled. After the plate is on, honing the cylinders makes them perfectly round again thereby eliminating blow-by and keeping the cylinder shape constant, improving efficiency and getting a longer life. When the engine runs, the block actually twists and deforms, and gets pulled every which way when all the components are screwed and bolted to it. By duplicating the loads that influence the distortion, you eliminate little inconsistancies, get a happier engine that will live a longer life. This is more important when pushing a design to it's limits. The higher the performance, the less room there is for error. This process is one that racers have been using for ions, and while these little inconsistancies don't effect the engine too much, when you're looking for every little bit of power, or looking for hitting a specific safety factor when you're pushing the envelop, this is one of the tools one can use to nearly assure the best running and longest lasting engine possible. If you've ever heard of engine blue-printing - this is an element of that process. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

02-15-2011, 03:03 PM	#25
My 5th Drives: 2010 2SS/RS M6 Black on Black Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Global Citizen Posts: 1,243	When I had the LT-1 engine built for my '73 Corvette in 1975 the engine builder used a torque plate, and a few years later the engine was checked by a local guy who ran Top Fuel dragsters and he told me my engine had better leak-down than his mega-buck Top Fuel engines. I definitely think it's worth it. __________________ Meh

02-15-2011, 04:57 PM	#27
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02-15-2011, 10:05 AM	#16
Thorlius Drives: '08 Corvette 2LT Coupe Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Kitchener, Ontario Posts: 50	Do they do this on the CTS-V LSA too?

02-15-2011, 02:22 PM	#19
dmiller66 Tampa Gulf Coast Family Drives: '13 2SS/RS, Blue Ray Metallic, Auto Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Plantation, FL Posts: 227	Cool and all but probably not necessary for 99.99% of us who use our cars as daily drivers.

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brAnd7onX Drives: 2012 1SS IOM Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hutto, TX Posts: 1,642	Basically in short, this is them breaking in the engine correct? This process helps seat the rings?

02-15-2011, 03:08 PM	#26
dragon22 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS SIM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 1,697 View My Garage	WOW! That is really something! AND it makes so much sense. I've been a licensed mechanic for 28 years and knew nothing of this process. Mind you, I've never been into building high performance engines, but I'm glad I learned about this process. Can never be too information savvy! LOL

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