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Fabberge · 11-18-2014, 08:52 AM

One of my dealers installed our LFX kit on LLT car. He said the install was pretty good.
He had to modify the hot sides because of the exhaust manifolds on LLT cars vs built-in ones on LFXs. He also had to modify the charge pipe to put the different style MAF sensor in.
I will try and get dyno numbers from him. I believe he used Trifecta to tune it.
We need to get one of the LLT cars in to see for ourselves, but seems pretty easy to offer one with minor modifications.

Fabberge · 11-18-2014, 09:01 AM

it was actually tuned with HPtuners and they ran out of fuel. He is saying they are swapping a fuel pump this week and will hit the dyno next week.

xtreme industries · 11-18-2014, 09:05 AM

ran out of fuel, I am surprised at this. does this pump not have enough flow? or were the table no able to modify the fuel with the HP tuners suite. I am curious to the outcome, this would be awesome if it works.

Fabberge · 11-18-2014, 09:37 AM

yeah i am not sure why they ran out of fuel, but i am in for the outcome as well

JantzenOKC · 11-18-2014, 10:51 AM

Cool pics

That's the first time I've seen under the skid plate with the piping on. Very compact, is that about where they sit on the lfx? I guess they kind of put it where they wanted if they changed the hot sides.

Fabberge · 11-18-2014, 10:55 AM

it's in the same spot, otherwise intercooler piping would not work

JantzenOKC · 11-18-2014, 11:23 AM

Well that looks good! I was worried about the clearance issues with the skid plate since I'm lowered, but that looks like I might be able to make it work. If not, it would be a good excuse to raise it back up and do a 1LE tire/wheel setup.

KMPrenger · 11-18-2014, 01:08 PM

Very cool to see this kit being used on the LLT finally. I hope it does work out!!

HPTuners is likely the only tuning option, but unfortunately may still not be a perfect solution. Trifecta can't/won't tune it, and IPF will not tune for it as well.

There is a thread in the Tune section that is pages long concerning the HPtuners LLT tune. The concensus is that, while they are able to make some adjustments, they are still missing certain tables, and I'm not sure if they have successfully tuned a forced induction LLT using that solution or not. The issue is always the car leaning out in the upper rpms.

Of course I can't say this for certain, but based on what I've read, IPF claims there is a very specific table where fuel can be adjusted (which is how they correctly tune for their supercharger) and I'm guessing HPTuners do not yet have access to this table like IPF does.

That said, I'm not sure a new pump will get the job done. Hopefully others will chime in on this.

Maniature · 11-18-2014, 01:11 PM

dibs on this if it works

!finally cant wait for results!

IBM camaro · 11-18-2014, 01:36 PM

If everything is good and you guys can offer the MAF part I'm in to do this I've bought over 10k in superchargres yes 2 and it was never enough torque but this would be amazing id run super low boost though

Nutbutt · 11-18-2014, 07:14 PM

HPTuner had been used on a couple of IPF SC installs successfully already by J&M in CT. No problems with the fuel delivery.

hunterv6 · 11-19-2014, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabberge

it was actually tuned with HPtuners and they ran out of fuel. He is saying they are swapping a fuel pump this week and will hit the dyno next week.

Are they trying to run over 10 psi? That seem to be where the llt start to run out of fuel.

SV6GUY · 11-19-2014, 08:57 PM

this is awesome news! i'll happily try an LLT kit on my car down under once HPTuners hits full release and money permits. Exciting stuff

PoorMansCamaro · 11-20-2014, 08:49 AM

11-18-2014, 08:52 AM	#1
Fabberge Drives: C7 Z51 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 209	Fabberge TT on LLT One of my dealers installed our LFX kit on LLT car. He said the install was pretty good. He had to modify the hot sides because of the exhaust manifolds on LLT cars vs built-in ones on LFXs. He also had to modify the charge pipe to put the different style MAF sensor in. I will try and get dyno numbers from him. I believe he used Trifecta to tune it. We need to get one of the LLT cars in to see for ourselves, but seems pretty easy to offer one with minor modifications. Attached Images

11-18-2014, 09:05 AM	#3
xtreme industries Drives: 2010 Camaro 2lt RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada Posts: 548	ran out of fuel, I am surprised at this. does this pump not have enough flow? or were the table no able to modify the fuel with the HP tuners suite. I am curious to the outcome, this would be awesome if it works. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2lt RS, IOM on IOM, M6, eibach springs, eibach sways, ported throttle body, black ice-olator, RX catch can, OBX headers - no cats, Pypes cat back, Vibrant resonators, injen intake, DRL over ride, decepticon fender emblems, transformer sill plates, transformer script on cowl, more to come.

11-18-2014, 01:08 PM	#8
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	Very cool to see this kit being used on the LLT finally. I hope it does work out!! HPTuners is likely the only tuning option, but unfortunately may still not be a perfect solution. Trifecta can't/won't tune it, and IPF will not tune for it as well. There is a thread in the Tune section that is pages long concerning the HPtuners LLT tune. The concensus is that, while they are able to make some adjustments, they are still missing certain tables, and I'm not sure if they have successfully tuned a forced induction LLT using that solution or not. The issue is always the car leaning out in the upper rpms. Of course I can't say this for certain, but based on what I've read, IPF claims there is a very specific table where fuel can be adjusted (which is how they correctly tune for their supercharger) and I'm guessing HPTuners do not yet have access to this table like IPF does. That said, I'm not sure a new pump will get the job done. Hopefully others will chime in on this. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

11-18-2014, 01:11 PM	#9
Maniature Drives: Camaro 2010 1LT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 725 View My Garage	dibs on this if it works !finally cant wait for results! __________________ my build thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...22#post5234122

11-18-2014, 07:14 PM	#11
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	HPTuner had been used on a couple of IPF SC installs successfully already by J&M in CT. No problems with the fuel delivery. __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

11-18-2014, 09:01 AM	#2
Fabberge Drives: C7 Z51 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 209	it was actually tuned with HPtuners and they ran out of fuel. He is saying they are swapping a fuel pump this week and will hit the dyno next week.

11-18-2014, 09:37 AM	#4
Fabberge Drives: C7 Z51 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 209	yeah i am not sure why they ran out of fuel, but i am in for the outcome as well

11-18-2014, 10:51 AM	#5
JantzenOKC Drives: '13 2LT/RS Twin Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma Posts: 3,073	Cool pics That's the first time I've seen under the skid plate with the piping on. Very compact, is that about where they sit on the lfx? I guess they kind of put it where they wanted if they changed the hot sides.

11-18-2014, 10:55 AM	#6
Fabberge Drives: C7 Z51 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 209	it's in the same spot, otherwise intercooler piping would not work

11-18-2014, 11:23 AM	#7
JantzenOKC Drives: '13 2LT/RS Twin Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma Posts: 3,073	Well that looks good! I was worried about the clearance issues with the skid plate since I'm lowered, but that looks like I might be able to make it work. If not, it would be a good excuse to raise it back up and do a 1LE tire/wheel setup.

11-18-2014, 01:36 PM	#10
IBM camaro Texas HT5 Drives: IBM Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tx Posts: 1,335	If everything is good and you guys can offer the MAF part I'm in to do this I've bought over 10k in superchargres yes 2 and it was never enough torque but this would be amazing id run super low boost though

11-19-2014, 08:57 PM	#13
SV6GUY Endlessly Wrenching Drives: VE SV6 S2 manual Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 57	this is awesome news! i'll happily try an LLT kit on my car down under once HPTuners hits full release and money permits. Exciting stuff

11-20-2014, 08:49 AM	#14
PoorMansCamaro Drives: Really Slow Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: PA Posts: 56,958	__________________