Z28 PRICE!? check this out!!!

[Mayhem Matt]

Originally Posted by Mark H

Works out to be close to 10% for title, tax

What do you think the yearly registration will be on that thing? I paid $42k total for my Camaro and I paid $570 on my registration this year.

[Mark H]

Originally Posted by Bumblebee Matt

What do you think the yearly registration will be on that thing? I paid $42k total for my Camaro and I paid $570 on my registration this year.

Probably close to 8 hundred dollars.
Pretty tough to swallow but I still love California

[1fasttransam]

I don't see how a Z28 would be 50plus K. Here is why. MANY people myself included would rather spend it on a Vette. You can get a Vette for 50 range. I foresee it being low 40s say 41-43 range. GM has to have them outsell the GT500 10-1

[1fasttransam]

Cause someone brought up the price of the 2011 5.0mustang vs Camaro to figure out the Z cost so here is the Mustang:
PRICES are from CARS DIRECT.com based on Zip39503

2011 Ford Mustang GT Premium 2dr Coupe 33,695MSRP Price:
$31,735Invoice Price:
$32,335Sales Price:($1,000)Manufacturer Rebates: Target Price: $31,335
Powertrain
Engine: 5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V8
8-cylinder 412 hp engine with 5.0-liter displacement
Included
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual Included
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic $866
Packages
Rapid Spec 400A N/C
Rapid Spec 401A $344
Rapid Spec 402A $1,736
Option Groups
Security Package $344
Comfort Package $518
Accessory Package 1 (LPO) $627
Accessory Package 4 (LPO) $653
Accessory Package 5 (LPO) $1,279
Brembo Brake Package $1,475
Wheels and Tires
Tires: P235/50WR18 BSW AS
Tires with 235mm width, 18" rims
STD
Tires: P245/45WR19 AS
Low Profile tires with 245mm width, 19" rims
N/C
Tires: P255/40R19 Performance
Low Profile tires with 255mm width, 19" rims
Included
Tires: 19"
Low Profile tires with 245mm width, 19" rims
N/C
Wheels: 18" x 8" Wide Spoke Painted Aluminum STD
Wheels: 19" x 8.5" Machined Aluminum N/C
Wheels: 19" x 9.0" Dark Stainless Painted Aluminum Included
Wheels: 18" x 8" Polished Aluminum $431
Wheels: 19" x 8.5" Bright Machined Aluminum $866
Wheels: 19" x 8.5" Luster Nickel Aluminum $866
Seats and Seat Trim
Leather Bucket Seats Included
Premier Leather Bucket Seats N/C
Unique Leather Seating Surface N/C
Audio
Radio: Shaker 500 AM/FM Stereo w/In-Dash CD/MP3 Included
Radio: Shaker 1000 AM/FM Stereo w/In-Dash CD/MP3 $1,127
Radio: Voice-Activated Navigation Package
NOT AVAILABLE in Alaska and Hawaii. $2,036
Other Options
Monotone Paint Application STD
Glass Roof $1,736
HID Headlamps $457
Over the Top Racing Stripes
Installed options at the Mustang Modification Center. Contact dealer for tape stripe color availability. $413
3.55 Limited Slip Rear Axle $344
3.73 Limited Slip Rear Axle $344
Hood & Side Stripes
Installed options at the Mustang Modification Center. Contact dealer for tape stripe color availability. $344
California Special Car Cover (LPO) $326
Power Code Remote Start System (LPO) $300
Rear Video Camera Variable
Spoiler Delete N/C
California Emissions System N/C
California Emissions System Not Required N/C
California Public Service/Emergency Vehicle Exempt N/C
Dealer Order For California States Registration N/C
Destination Charge
Manufacturer's Destination Charge $850

Option prices are for manufacturer-installed options and may vary for dealer-installed options.

Special note on incentives & rebates please read
Target Price with selected options: $34,473

Now that price doesnt have all options priced but you can do the math.

Now the Camaro Base Price for 2SS MSRP Price:$35,145
$34,116Invoice Price:
Engine: 6.2L V8 SFI
8-cylinder 426 hp engine with 6.2-liter displacement, sequential fuel injection
Included
Engine: 6.2L V8 SFI w/Automatic
8-cylinder 400 hp engine with 6.2-liter displacement, sequential fuel injection
$0
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual STD
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic w/TAPSHIFT $1,055
Packages
Preferred Equipment Group 2SS N/C
Option Groups
RS Package $1,068
21" Machined Alum. w/Black Accents Pkg (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $4,165
21" Black Painted Aluminum Wheel Pkg (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $4,330
Wheels and Tires
Tires: P245/45R20 Fr & P275/40R20 Rr BW
Low Profile tires with 245mm width, 20" rims
STD
Wheels: 20" x 8" Fr & 20" x 9" Rr Aluminum STD
Wheels: 20" x 8" Fr & 20" x 9" Rr Polished Alum $418
Seats and Seat Trim
Front Sport Bucket Seats STD
Leather-Appointed Seating Surfaces STD
Audio
Radio: AM/FM/CD-ROM/MP3 Included
Other Options
Monotone Paint Application STD
Ground Effects Package (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $2,016
Power Sunroof w/Express-Open & Vent $801
Black Hood & Hockey Stripe Package (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $454
Silver Hood & Hockey Stripe Package (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $454
White Hood & Hockey Stripe Package (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $454
Interior Accent Trim Package $445
Black Stripe Package $418
Cyber Gray Stripe Package $418
Orange Stripe Package $418
Silver Stripe Package $418
White Stripe Package $418
Hurst Short-Throw Shifter $338
Gray Car Cover (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $320
Red Car Cover (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $320
Quarter Flares (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $289
Body-Color Painted Engine Cover (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $254
Satin Nickel Finish Fuel Door (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $156
Premium Carpeted Floor Mats (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $134
Cargo Mat (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $120
Front License Plate Bracket
Included with orders with ship-to states that require a front license plate. $13
Synergy Green Accent Panels N/C
Cargo Net (LPO)
Available as both an orderable Regular Production Accessory (RPA) as well as from an Accessory Distributor Installer (ADI). $0
Federal Emissions Requirements N/C
California State Emissions Requirements N/C
CT/ME/MD/MA/NJ/NM/NY/OR/PA/RI/VT/WA Emissions Req N/C
California Emissions Override N/C
State-Specific Emissions Override N/C
Federal Emissions Override N/C
Destination Charge
Manufacturer's Destination Charge $850

[mondain]

Umm why do people think that it should be priced anywhere near the CTS-V? Because the engine/sc might be the same??

CTS-V is a different chassis platform, different interior materials, different interior layouts, different quality leather, different exterior pieces (LEDs, etc), burled walnut accents, different fit and finish, and aimed at a completely different target audience.

There's way more things telling me the two prices should have nothing to do with each other. A Z28 will be priced to compete with it's nearest external competitor -- which is NOT another GM vehicle. It's the GT500.

I don't care if it's made of solid gold, their marketing team is talking about why someone should buy a Z28 over a GT500, not how a coupe musclecar is going to steal sales from a sedan luxury performance vehicle.

[nards444]

Originally Posted by mondain

Umm why do people think that it should be priced anywhere near the CTS-V? Because the engine/sc might be the same??

CTS-V is a different chassis platform, different interior materials, different interior layouts, different quality leather, different exterior pieces (LEDs, etc), burled walnut accents, different fit and finish, and aimed at a completely different target audience.

There's way more things telling me the two prices should have nothing to do with each other. A Z28 will be priced to compete with it's nearest external competitor -- which is NOT another GM vehicle. It's the GT500.

I don't care if it's made of solid gold, their marketing team is talking about why someone should buy a Z28 over a GT500, not how a coupe musclecar is going to steal sales from a sedan luxury performance vehicle.

and the mass sales are not to people that enjoy camaro 5 or are fanatics, the mass sales are normal people, and a unbiased person is going to look at price and performance. As I said before they have to keep it around the 45k mark, anything more it interferes with vette and you would be stupid to buy a camaro when for the same price buy a vette. What people on here fail to see is people that dont give a crap about camaro, the HP, chevy, etc and are totally unbiased. I mean these cars will sell the first year, but you have to market the car to sell for many years and to diverse crowd. If the car sells for 50k plus its not going to be many sold after year one.

[mondain]

The 2011 GT500 starts at $48,645. If anything, that should be the biggest barometer of where a Z28 pricing will fall.

[camarolt76]

That is way too steep for my pocket! My 426 hp RS/SS will suit me just fine!

[Fenah]

Gm should keep it at 45K. They'd be smart to under-price the GT500 and out perform it. Would kill the GT500 in sales.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Fenah

Gm should keep it at 45K. They'd be smart to under-price the GT500 and out perform it. Would kill the GT500 in sales.

they need to make a profit. so if they can do that and turn a profit then go for it. if not then as long as it's with in a couple grand then what's the problem?

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

they need to make a profit. so if they can do that and turn a profit then go for it. if not then as long as it's with in a couple grand then what's the problem?

Can't make a profit if you don't make a sale. Pricing below the GT500 will steal sales from the GT500, pricing above the GT500 won't. Pricing above the GT500 will also put the Z28 in the same price range as other GM performance cars.

Also, keep in mind, the GT500 price has crept up a lot since it was released in the 2007 MY ($8k), mostly thanks to no competition. Expect Ford to reduce the price of the GT500 (or hold it flat for a few years) when the Z28 comes out.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Can't make a profit if you don't make a sale. Pricing below the GT500 will steal sales from the GT500, pricing above the GT500 won't. Pricing above the GT500 will also put the Z28 in the same price range as other GM performance cars.

Also, keep in mind, the GT500 price has crept up a lot since it was released in the 2007 MY ($8k), mostly thanks to no competition. Expect Ford to reduce the price of the GT500 (or hold it flat for a few years) when the Z28 comes out.

? the current camaro line up puts the price above it's mustang counterpart. it sure seems to be selling well. so how could pricing this mythical z28 at 50150 (with destination) be so bad? considering the gt500 is priced at about 49400 with destination? that's reasonable. and why do you say 8k due to no competition? the gt500 was aimed at enthusiasts and to also the guys that would buy a vette but want more seats. it's performance has increased along with inflation. vehicles don't get cheaper. . .

the C7 will be out soon. I expect the price of the vette to go up. I expect it to be north of 50k after the c7 comes out. main reason is the new drivetrain and body/chassis. we are talking about a base vette. the base vette is a performer no doubt. but I really think the Z28 will out perform it. now a grandsport or anything better it will either be a drivers race or the vette will just walk away from the Z.

again if they can price it under the gt500 and it out perform with out any severe handicaps I'm all for it. but with the way the camaro line up is now i still see the Z price slightly above a base gt500 but offer more in terms of standard features. (ie IRS. . .the gt500 does not have and with proper tuning of the suspension will not hold a candle to a Z on the road course).

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

? the current camaro line up puts the price above it's mustang counterpart. it sure seems to be selling well. so how could pricing this mythical z28 at 50150 (with destination) be so bad? considering the gt500 is priced at about 49400 with destination? that's reasonable. and why do you say 8k due to no competition? the gt500 was aimed at enthusiasts and to also the guys that would buy a vette but want more seats. it's performance has increased along with inflation. vehicles don't get cheaper. . .

the C7 will be out soon. I expect the price of the vette to go up. I expect it to be north of 50k after the c7 comes out. main reason is the new drivetrain and body/chassis. we are talking about a base vette. the base vette is a performer no doubt. but I really think the Z28 will out perform it. now a grandsport or anything better it will either be a drivers race or the vette will just walk away from the Z.

again if they can price it under the gt500 and it out perform with out any severe handicaps I'm all for it. but with the way the camaro line up is now i still see the Z price slightly above a base gt500 but offer more in terms of standard features. (ie IRS. . .the gt500 does not have and with proper tuning of the suspension will not hold a candle to a Z on the road course).

So, the 2010 SS had 100 more HP and TQ than the '10 GT. GM figured they could get a slight premium on price for that and still make sales. They were right. Do you disagree with that?

For the '11 MY Ford released the new 5.0. They priced it $1k below the SS because they didn't figure they could get a price premium for it, and would rather have the (slight) price advantage. They were right. Do you disagree with this too?

The GT500 had no competition at $40k, it's initial price point. At $48k, it has competition. It's price went up 20% in 3 years, during a time when there was no inflation. Part of that was due to improvements, but mostly it was just because they had no competition to keep them honest (just like with the Mustang GT prior to the Camaro). Ford has a lot of cushion in their price for the GT500, same as the '10 Mustang GT.

At the end of the day, there's a bigger market for affordable performance than there is for halo cars. Both pony cars and muscle cars came about because of that fact.

Edit - Also, there's a big hole for performance cars in the $40,000 price range. Might as well market something there than in the $50,000 price range where there's more of a crowd.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

So, the 2010 SS had 100 more HP and TQ than the '10 GT. GM figured they could get a slight premium on price for that and still make sales. They were right. Do you disagree with that?

the price difference had more to do with standard features to include brembo brakes and such. also IRS is included. it's not just about hp. that's why the premium. and it wasn't like it was 4k difference between a gt and ss. it ws with in 3k. you're paying for better technology between the two for the 2010 model year. worth the premium.

For the '11 MY Ford released the new 5.0. They priced it $1k below the SS because they didn't figure they could get a price premium for it, and would rather have the (slight) price advantage. They were right. Do you disagree with this too?

again the standard features are what cause this price difference. a base 2SS and a GT premium with brembos comes in with in $500. and you still get IRS on the camaro. you had an increase of new tech in the mustang (mainly the engine) and that price increase paid for all the other added features. but still you do not have IRS.

The GT500 had no competition at $40k, it's initial price point. At $48k, it has competition. It's price went up 20% in 3 years, during a time when there was no inflation. Part of that was due to improvements, but mostly it was just because they had no competition to keep them honest (just like with the Mustang GT prior to the Camaro). Ford has a lot of cushion in their price for the GT500, same as the '10 Mustang GT. if people weren't willing to pay it wouldn't sell. so blame people for the price cushion.

At the end of the day, there's a bigger market for affordable performance than there is for halo cars. Both pony cars and muscle cars came about because of that fact. I agree with this 100%. if people wouldn't buy over priced cars then the cars values would come down. or we'd get smart cars. . .

Edit - Also, there's a big hole for performance cars in the $40,000 price range. Might as well market something there than in the $50,000 price range where there's more of a crowd.

40-50k is like a gap in our society also. anything below 40 is middle class to lower class. 50k+ starts to become upper class. it's almost a clear line in the sand. you may disagree but lets be honest. how many people can afford a 40+k car, an 800$ mortgage with all bills, and still live comfortably? not the majority of americans.


you never stated why the current camaro line up is doing so well still. . .since it's over the price of the current GT. I do believe the camaro still out sold the mustang last month. . .