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stoopid · 02-03-2015, 06:01 AM

I'm sure if he did a hundred laps and found the limit for the car at each corner he could shave a second or two. I doubt he was willing to push it to the very edge of its capabilities in a couple laps.

Denis · 02-03-2015, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

CTS-V no ? Cmon Denis lol

oh obviously I would LOVE a CTS-v (hell, ill take an ATS-V too). they were just debating the SS and the Hellcat. I personally love fast 4 door sedans...always have.

SalJC · 02-05-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Back in 2008 I was within 30 min of buying a G8 GT (using the same money I would use to get my Camaro the next year). They were visually catching, a great option and competitor for the Charger and frankly the superior in many ways. There are a number of reasons I didn't end up getting one, not the least of which was a super shady dealer who pulled the rug out from under me at the 11th hour.

For me what made the G8 GT such a great bargain was the price point, starting in 2008 at $29,995. Adjusted for inflation that is $32,980. That's Charger R/T territory today. The SS is not a bargain, at all, at $45,000 starting.

Frankly The SS felt more like a F*** YOU from Chevy to the fans who were screaming for a RWD V8 sedan. They brought over a great car, loaded it up, put it at a price point that a lot of people are not interested in, gave it a bland exterior, gave it a GG tax and made it so dealers could easily charge ADM's because it's "limited production" and difficult to get a hold of.

The G8 GT model was one that could have made Chevrolet a competitor in the full size, RWD market. Instead we got the absurdly and asininely named "SS" which only a few people even know about, even less want to buy and a fraction of those can get.

In my opinion as a car the SS is great, as a product and program from GM it is a dismal failure. The numbers may not agree with me, that's fine, I don't give a rip.

^ This

The G8 was a full line V6, GT, GXP. But while GM still makes all three they decided only to offer the former GXP version as a Chevy which effectively put it out of reach of most buyers, including myself.

I was in the market for a 4dr recently and would've bought one in a second, I really liked the G8 GT. So got a '15 Charger R/T for $31k. It's my daily driver and I wasn't about to spend $45k for a car to park at the train station and pick up the kids from daycare..

Dizzy82 · 02-05-2015, 01:19 PM

LostPony · 02-05-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

He definitely wasn't pushing it as hard as he could. Should have shifted in higher gears in the corners to prevent wheel spin.

One of the things I noticed about the auto Hellcat was that if left in full auto it would shift down to what I felt was too low of a gear. While this certainly made the car feel racier, it often left me feathering the throttle more than I felt would be necessary had I been a gear higher.

Keep in mind that I spent numerous days with the car during the press launch last year, and I have been performance driving at my home track for 17 years, and instructing for the last 8 years. I know my track well, and know a thing or two about driving at speed. I also spent many hours with the engineers and had time to appreciate what they tried, and I think succeeded, to accomplish.

While 90% of the time I was happy to let the car do its thing in auto mode, I found myself wanting to keep the gear one higher on entry and exit than the car selected for me. With so much power on tap I didn't think the car needed to be at 4k RPM or higher through a tight turn, but instead would prefer to have it at 3K or so where it would be coming into the meat of the power as you exit.

In my own car I am often a gear higher than others at a particular turn. Where many might downshift to 3rd for our turn 10 or 3, I am in fourth and am able to enter smoother, and exit smoother and faster. Same where others go to 2nd at our turns 1 and 5, I stay in 3rd and am still quick off the corner.

What would have been interesting to see is for Randy to have run the car like Leadfoot and myself are suggesting, and the way it was done in the video to compare if it were any different or faster. I am not sure how much time Randy has to do his laps, and he may have tried it. If he did, I wish he would have said so we wouldn't be here armchair quarterbacking his runs.

Just my two cents.

LostPony · 02-05-2015, 02:28 PM

Better yet, don't take our word for it, watch this:

Sir Jackie Stewart explains smooth driving and at about 3:25 or so talks a little about being a gear higher.

topsy krett · 02-17-2015, 07:47 AM

speedislife i like that

TastyBake · 02-17-2015, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

At a $10,000 premium to the SS, it sure as hell better. Remind us what place the Charger came in? Oh right, SECOND. Lost in every single category. A car is more than 0-60. Some day you'll understand.

Sadly, some people just can't see past the HP.

If roles were reversed, would we REALLY be saying this about the camaro?

MEDISIN · 02-17-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TastyBake

If roles were reversed, would we REALLY be saying this about the camaro?

Who is talking about the Camaro??? The SS sedan beat out the Charger sedan in every singly category in that comparison. It is simply more car for less money.

newmoon · 02-17-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Who is talking about the Camaro??? The SS sedan beat out the Charger sedan in every singly category in that comparison. It is simply more car for less money.

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Which comparison are you looking at? The earlier one posted using the much less powerful 392, the SS lost 11/12 C/Ds test result categories. Think of what the numbers would be if C&D did the same test with the Hellcat Charger.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

rocket403 · 02-17-2015, 02:52 PM

SS is a fail that does not sell well, I'll take the Charger thanks and with the new A8 and 485hp it would be that much faster than the Super Suck

MEDISIN · 02-17-2015, 02:54 PM

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Which comparison are you looking at? The earlier one posted using the much less powerful 392, the SS lost 11/12 C/Ds test result categories. Think of what the numbers would be if C&D did the same test with the Hellcat Charger.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt_comparison/
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

Both Fiat twins LOST to the SS.

The Fiat twins already have more HP. It doesn't make them better cars. The FAILcat Charger is already a full second slower around Streets of Willow than the SS sedan. You think more power is the answer?

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SS is a fail that does not sell well, I'll take the Charger thanks and with the new A8 and 485hp it would be that much faster than the Super Suck

Still bitter you can't get the SS in Canada eh?

rocket403 · 02-17-2015, 03:00 PM

In the 1/4 it sure does help, SS looks like any other FWD car that GM has it would not matter what that car could do as it stands I would not get one if I could. Just because it has an SS badge does not make up for its looks.

96MrBass · 02-17-2015, 03:01 PM

Can't see past 707 lol.

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stoopid Drives: 4 wheels Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: anyplace, USA Posts: 1,177	I'm sure if he did a hundred laps and found the limit for the car at each corner he could shave a second or two. I doubt he was willing to push it to the very edge of its capabilities in a couple laps.

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rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	In the 1/4 it sure does help, SS looks like any other FWD car that GM has it would not matter what that car could do as it stands I would not get one if I could. Just because it has an SS badge does not make up for its looks.