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rocket403 · 07-23-2014, 11:43 AM

Here is the TFLcar review

rocket403 · 07-23-2014, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

It is and it isn't. It won't offer the handling of the new Mustang GT, or even that of the present 1LE. What it will offer is everything else. So depending on your needs it may or may not be. For myself this will most likely be my next vehicle.

Very well put, would all depend on what you need the car for, DD with kids, or a car that is just for the weekend and short trips.

MEDISIN · 07-23-2014, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

It is and it isn't. It won't offer the handling of the new Mustang GT, or even that of the present 1LE. What it will offer is everything else. So depending on your needs it may or may not be. For myself this will most likely be my next vehicle.

So what is the difference in marketing the R/T Shatpack vs the abruptly discontinued sales flops that were the "SRT Bore" models? They were both around $40k no? Is it the automatic tranny and 15hp that will finally make it a sales success? Furthermore will R/T Shatpack and Hellokitty cannibalize the SRT sales? Seems like all the "would-be" buyers, including yourself, are leaning toward the R/T now (fully realizing the odds of affording a Hellokitty in the next 12 months is beyond the means of 99.999% of the Mopar faithful, bless their hearts).

macwest · 07-23-2014, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

So what is the difference in marketing the R/T Shatpack vs the abruptly discontinued sales flops that were the "SRT Bore" models? They were both around $40k no? Is it the automatic tranny and 15hp that will finally make it a sales success? Furthermore will R/T Shatpack and Hellokitty cannibalize the SRT sales? Seems like all the "would-be" buyers, including yourself, are leaning toward the R/T now (fully realizing the odds of affording a Hellokitty in the next 12 months is beyond the means of 99.999% of the Mopar faithful, bless their hearts).

Difference with this round is new interior, shaker hood and scat pack option on base model. Won't matter if SRT sales decline because over all sales should increase. However, I suspect the Hellcat will sell over their estimate. Big part to read into what is being said is that the said "will make what is ordered" meaning if more then alloted amount is ordered they will make them. What I believe is trying to be avoided is cars sitting like the viper did or in GM's case the z/28 which currently is sitting in may lots collecting dust.

rocket403 · 07-23-2014, 01:23 PM

I think Dodge listened to the guys that were buying their cars, people were asking for the option on the RT to get the 6.4L.
The 6.4L RT is a bit cheaper than the Core (going by comments made by US customers) as the core was no sold in Canada.
Just like back in the 70`s more engine options what is to hate.

newmoon · 07-23-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

So what is the difference in marketing the R/T Shatpack vs the abruptly discontinued sales flops that were the "SRT Bore" models? They were both around $40k no? Is it the automatic tranny and 15hp that will finally make it a sales success? Furthermore will R/T Shatpack and Hellokitty cannibalize the SRT sales? Seems like all the "would-be" buyers, including yourself, are leaning toward the R/T now (fully realizing the odds of affording a Hellokitty in the next 12 months is beyond the means of 99.999% of the Mopar faithful, bless their hearts).

About the same as the ZL1 and GT500 or CTSV are beyond the means of their 99.99% faithful using your extreme logic. I know it hurts but really you should try and control the tears a little

rocket403 · 07-23-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

About the same as the ZL1 and GT500 or CTSV are beyond the means of their 99.99% faithful using your extreme logic. I know it hurts but really you should try and control the tears a little

LOL

4VFTW · 07-23-2014, 02:10 PM

looks like MEDISIN's hate tank is on fumes...hes down to ad hominems at this point.

I'm perfectly ok with Dodge building niche cars for hot rodders...let GM build more V6 Camaros for everyone else.

Truck Norris · 07-23-2014, 03:04 PM

I'm now kicking around the idea of a RT 392 Scat Pack manual which someone here said was $37,xxx msrp so knowing how heavily Dodge can discount its vehicles it may be possible to get into a 392 Challenger for $34,xxx.

$35k'ish would be kick ass especially after listening to the vid of Richard Rawlings showing off its "factory dumps" sure it wont be as quick as the 8 speed auto but I will have more fun with the exhaust barking, popping and blurbling every time I shift and can go WOT more often without the risk of speeding. Plus there would be less chance of me getting bored with it especially when taking it to the track. With a (485hp)manual you can always improve on something vs mashing the gas and keeping in straight. I do want to wait and see how the lighter weight 'cuda turns out.

SpeedIsLife · 07-23-2014, 03:14 PM

I believe the difference between the 392 Rt and the SRT8 is the SRT8 gets a version of the Hellcats braking system, the electronic adjustable suspension, a much much better audio system as well as a much more refined and upscale interior.

In many ways the 392 R/T "Scat Pack" get most of the old SRT 8 technology. The new SRT gets a lot of the Hellcat technology

SpeedIsLife · 07-23-2014, 03:22 PM

Essentially what Dodge has done is exactly what we Camaro owners have wanted since 2009, an ls7 option. Except in this case Dodge/ Ma Mopar are not engaging in self destructive and retarded nameplate protection.

Truck Norris · 07-23-2014, 03:30 PM

^ and a "LS9 option" with their 2.3L TVS'd forged hell cat engine.

rocket403 · 07-23-2014, 03:36 PM

No plans on a Cuda or lighter Challenger till 2018 as far as I know, but if you wait until the hype as had a chance to die you may get a better price. They do discount more than Ford or Chevy has in the past.

rocket403 · 07-23-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Essentially what Dodge has done is exactly what we Camaro owners have wanted since 2009, an ls7 option. Except in this case Dodge/ Ma Mopar are not engaging in self destructive and retarded nameplate protection.

I just don`t see having more engine options as a bad thing, everyone has a different idea, some will have no plans to go past the 5.7 on the RT some will want the 6.4L. The guys that go to the SRT 6.4L get more options built into the price, then the Hellcat has it all with only Leather, sunroof and wheels on the option sheet.

GM should take note and change a bit.

07-23-2014, 03:04 PM	#1325
Truck Norris Thread Mover Drives: a Monte Carlo Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sierra Nevada Posts: 490	I'm now kicking around the idea of a RT 392 Scat Pack manual which someone here said was $37,xxx msrp so knowing how heavily Dodge can discount its vehicles it may be possible to get into a 392 Challenger for $34,xxx. $35k'ish would be kick ass especially after listening to the vid of Richard Rawlings showing off its "factory dumps" sure it wont be as quick as the 8 speed auto but I will have more fun with the exhaust barking, popping and blurbling every time I shift and can go WOT more often without the risk of speeding. Plus there would be less chance of me getting bored with it especially when taking it to the track. With a (485hp)manual you can always improve on something vs mashing the gas and keeping in straight. I do want to wait and see how the lighter weight 'cuda turns out. __________________ In the market for something fast

07-23-2014, 03:30 PM	#1328
Truck Norris Thread Mover Drives: a Monte Carlo Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sierra Nevada Posts: 490	^ and a "LS9 option" with their 2.3L TVS'd forged hell cat engine. __________________ In the market for something fast

07-23-2014, 01:23 PM	#1321
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	I think Dodge listened to the guys that were buying their cars, people were asking for the option on the RT to get the 6.4L. The 6.4L RT is a bit cheaper than the Core (going by comments made by US customers) as the core was no sold in Canada. Just like back in the 70`s more engine options what is to hate.

07-23-2014, 02:10 PM	#1324
4VFTW Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: United States Posts: 73	looks like MEDISIN's hate tank is on fumes...hes down to ad hominems at this point. I'm perfectly ok with Dodge building niche cars for hot rodders...let GM build more V6 Camaros for everyone else.

07-23-2014, 03:14 PM	#1326
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	I believe the difference between the 392 Rt and the SRT8 is the SRT8 gets a version of the Hellcats braking system, the electronic adjustable suspension, a much much better audio system as well as a much more refined and upscale interior. In many ways the 392 R/T "Scat Pack" get most of the old SRT 8 technology. The new SRT gets a lot of the Hellcat technology

07-23-2014, 03:22 PM	#1327
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Essentially what Dodge has done is exactly what we Camaro owners have wanted since 2009, an ls7 option. Except in this case Dodge/ Ma Mopar are not engaging in self destructive and retarded nameplate protection.

07-23-2014, 03:36 PM	#1329
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	No plans on a Cuda or lighter Challenger till 2018 as far as I know, but if you wait until the hype as had a chance to die you may get a better price. They do discount more than Ford or Chevy has in the past.