[SpeedIsLife]

The Z06 has issues with the Hellcat twins, as does the CTS-V, despite the Z06 being nearly a thousand pounds lighter and the CTS-V being around 400lbs lighter.

My guess..

3,925-3,950lbs...and the Hellcats will still be dead even with it.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

I don't know you guys, the Z06 has trouble with the Hellcat roll racing and its 1000 lbs lighter than the hellcat. I hope the Zl1 comes in at 3875 lbs. The Z06 is 225 lbs heavier than base stingray @ 3525.
If the new gt500 is created it should be around 4100 lbs, the GT is 3800.

Roll racing is so full of variables it's not even funny. There's no tree, just one guy in the car opposite of him trying to yell 1...2...3...and who gets the jump???

completely flawed type of "racing".

[mcsoul]

Hellcats can overcome acceleration physics with brute force, but cornering and braking not so much. The ride is smooth and the car is fast, if that's enough for someone then by all means buy it. ZL1 will be the total package and if it's a few tenths slower than a DR hellcat, it will still be 10x the car IMO.

[drivingagain]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Roll racing is so full of variables it's not even funny. There's no tree, just one guy in the car opposite of him trying to yell 1...2...3...and who gets the jump???

completely flawed type of "racing".

I agree with this 100%. Go to the track or at least start from stop. Almost like the new youtube sensation of tug a war. All these videos do not prove anything. Depends on the road surface, traction, what gear you are pulling in, etc. Too many variables to compare each other for any bragging rights.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

Hellcats can overcome acceleration physics with brute force, but cornering and braking not so much. The ride is smooth and the car is fast, if that's enough for someone then by all means buy it. ZL1 will be the total package and if it's a few tenths slower than a DR hellcat, it will still be 10x the car IMO.

I agree, weight does not come into play as much when 2 cars are rolling on the highway and race from 60mph. This is where the hellcat has the advantage with 707 hp. But I would rather have the new Z** that will out handle and probably match the hellcat in acceleration.

[Noob]

on our autobahn most times "brute force" counts !
that´s why i always say sell us pls supercharged versions on stock chassis which are nowadays good enough to handle 550hp or more well.
We see it in germany the 420hp Mustang is fast but when it comes to autobahn racing which is always on rolling that thing need 100hp more power to really smoke these little rats ;-)
All new sporty cars here have now Turbo´s, even Porsche switched now all to Turbo versions...which yes sound big shit !

[Blacksapphire]

Originally Posted by drivingagain

I agree with this 100%. Go to the track or at least start from stop. Almost like the new youtube sensation of tug a war. All these videos do not prove anything. Depends on the road surface, traction, what gear you are pulling in, etc. Too many variables to compare each other for any bragging rights.

Agreed but let's be honest most hellcat guys aren't going to take that thing to the track. Only the ones that watched fast and the furious and saw the chally race a gtr down a mountain and are dumb enough to believe it will be at the track. Odds are if you can afford a zl1 you're going to run into a hellcat on the highway. And as much as I hate to admit it, from a roll and even from a standstill that car can eat up pavement. You might get it on the jump from a standstill, but you know it's coming to catch you. Camaro is an all around car while the hellcat is a straight line brute. The two shouldn't really be compared, they are just part of the same class technically.

[doc7000]

The C7 Z06 is setup with downforce in mind, even the ones without the Z07 package have a lot of down force. This down force comes at the cost of higher speed acceleration as it is creating drag to produce the down force, this is to improve braking and cornering.

[ULTRAZLS1]

They don't have trouble with them.

Its the manual zo6 vs people with auto hellcats. Driver error etc

That or they have mods and don't say.

The power to weight ratio isn't even close.

Hero time for a stock zo6 is in the low 10 range. Hellcat cant touch that bone stock. They can clip high tens with a tire when stock. Several have tried to claim faster but was BS with mods. Its a 4500lb car 700hp or not.

Ive watched some roll races with truly stock cars and when they used an auto zo6 it wasn't super close. He would even give him the hit...catch up and pass. Ive seen a vid where it was close...the zo6 was a manual.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by doc7000

The C7 Z06 is setup with downforce in mind, even the ones without the Z07 package have a lot of down force. This down force comes at the cost of higher speed acceleration as it is creating drag to produce the down force, this is to improve braking and cornering.

This as well. Super high speed rolls its held back a bit.
Creates a bunch of downforce. I believe the new zo6 has a slower 0-150 than the last zr1...but its because of the crazy amount of downforce.

A zl1 at 39-4000 lbs and 650hp should run right with a hellcat from any speed. Probably leave it from a dig if both on stock tires. And handle circles around it.

[hognutz]

to me the 64k question is if the hellcat rolls with Z06's the heavier camaro may not fare too well.

I am interested to see how this car shakes out. I think it will be an all around better drive but I think the 1.7L blower just runs out of steam up top.

kind of GTR like where up at roll speeds it is not as good as you think it could be.


I offed my hellcat last week and don't know weather to wait for this car or track down a GT350.

[Stefano]

The ZL1 is going to need some upgrades to keep up with a Hellcat in the 1/4 mile .......car for car.

[Stefano]

The ZL1/LT4 as it is today, is going to need some upgrades to keep up with a Hellcat in the 1/4 mile .......car for car.

[396ssrat]

The C 7's 650hp versions are being outrun by the new Vipers. Sad but true. The Viper is in the C 7 class not the Camaro class. It's surely true that he 2016 Camaro is much lighter than the 2016 Hellcat but that said the bar is set and numbers have been posted.
It's a shame Chevy continues to play catch up all the time rather than to make a screaming statement but it is what it is. While Chevy is still trying to determine what options will come in the Camaro you can bet that Chrysler Fiat is shedding weight for their new generation car. The Challenger has been around far too long to continue with the current platform. It's going to get changed soon so to keep the ball rolling on the new gen Camaro Chevy needs to seriously up their game. Heck, it's not just Ford and Mopar, it's also the Imports which have to be dealt with. It's exciting times we live in but at some point someone is going to slam the hammer on how much performance we are allowed to have. The cars and trucks of today are awesome as compared to our older stuff (except for weight).