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Old 07-08-2013, 12:08 PM   #51
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My fiancee and I settled this debate last night. I've got a 370z Nismo and she has a SS 6MT. After nearly 3 years we finally went out and raced. It took so long because I wanted to get tires that were actually worth a damn. The stock tires on the 370z leave a lot to be desired. After we went to auto-x last night we then went and had a little straight line fun. We did 3 drag runs, switching cars on the third run, and one rolling run.

1st drag: I launched perfect, she didn't, by 110 there was a 1/2 a car between us

2nd drag: I launched good, she launched good, by 110 my front bumper was at her side mirror

3rd drag: We switched cars. Now mind you this was only the 2nd time for her driving my car and 1st time racing it. I got a good launch, she got a average one, by 110 the 370z bumper was at the Camaro's rear wheels.

Roll race: Started at 60mph and both started in 3rd. By 130 we were next to each other with my bumper (370z) at her front wheels.

Take home from what I saw. First off in the drag race the cars seem to be mostly even with neither car pulling on the other until about 80mph. At that time it seems the Camaro does start to pull. In all three races that is where the Camaro made it's biggest pull. Secondly, and most important, the cars are so close performance wise that it really comes down to the driver. On paper the edge goes to the Camaro and I'm sure a single driver driving both cars back to back will probably pull slightly better numbers with the Camaro. But on the street or at the track with two average joes behind the wheel it's going to come down to driver. No sense arguing who is faster, rather argue who is the better driver.

On the rolling race the cars seemed even until about 4th gear and the Camaro started edging out. After about 115mph the Z seemed to be in it's stride and stopped the Camaro from pulling. Basically telling me that as speeds increased areo started playing a bigger factor.

All that being said if we are talking about a 1LE I would whole heartily put the money on the Camaro simply because the more aggressive gearing will give it the advantage it needs to make a clear victory.
Thank you for your post, sorry nobody has really acknowledged it lol. It was about time somebody just took both cars and put them head to head.

What were the results of the autocross?
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The LS2 in the GTO is overrated.
Do you have a source for that? I'd like to show my friend. I have a friend with an LS1 GTO and one with an LS2. I've driven both and the LS2 definitely feels a lot faster.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:42 PM   #53
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My turbo'd SS Cobalt (stock turbo) with bolt ons and a tune would CRUSH 370Z's all day long. Not even sure how this is a debate.....1LE for sure in every imagineable way.
An hp tuned LNF Cobalt SS would walk a stock L99 or give an LS3 a run for it's money all day too... What's your point?

They even give minor bolt on 5.0's a run for their money... Don't try and make them sound slower then they are.

My friend owns a 320 whp pump gas HP tuned Cobalt SS. He walks away from 400 whp 5.0's.

With e85 tune I have seen them make 340-360 whp and 430-450 lb-ft.
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Do you have a source for that? I'd like to show my friend. I have a friend with an LS1 GTO and one with an LS2. I've driven both and the LS2 definitely feels a lot faster.
LS2 is faster, but once you do a full on heads/cam car the LS1 is stronger and has just as much potential.
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LS2 is faster, but once you do a full on heads/cam car the LS1 is stronger and has just as much potential.
Are you saying heads/cam LS1 is better than heads/cam LS2 or better than stock LS2? And I'm assuming it's stronger because it's smaller displacement sorta how the LS7 isn't very good for boost?
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The 370z does the V.I.R. Track in only 3:12. While the 1LE does it in a crazy good (for price) 2:58. For comparision the ZL1 does it in 2:52. And the ZR1 Vette only does it in 2:45.
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The LS2 in the GTO is overrated.

At local dyno day my friend's L99 with intake and programmer did 357 whp.

A stock LS2 manual did 323 whp, and another ls2 with headers/intake/tune did 366 whp.


LS2's really make more around 370 at the crank stock, an auto ls2 would have dyno'd significantly lower then those 6-speeds.


GTO's weigh about 3600 lbs. G8 GT's weigh around 3900 lbs.... The GTO has a 200 lb passenger(just a guess) and essentially eliminates the weight difference. From my experience close races like that are determined by whichever car has a passenger(when there's just one for the 2 cars).


The LS1 is a better more reliable overall package then the ls2 when it comes to heads/cams... It's stronger and the best years for the LS1. My friend's has 460 whp and traps 119 mph and pulls cars that trap 120+ in real life, his is the ls1.
Stock LS2s have dynoed over 370whp stock. Your argument is immediately invalid.
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Stock LS2s have dynoed over 370whp stock. Your argument is immediately invalid.
Lots of folks on ls1gto.com seem to be in the 340-350 range at the wheel with the m6. I'm sure those ls2's are right around 400 at the crank from the factory. That would be a ridiculous thing for GM to fib about.
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Thank you for your post, sorry nobody has really acknowledged it lol. It was about time somebody just took both cars and put them head to head.

What were the results of the autocross?

Auto-x went as expected. We've been auto-x for about 3 years now. We don't hit every event, maybe 5 a year. I started at 54.6 and by my 7th run got it down to 49.1. She got her Camaro to as low as 53.3 and as high as 55.6. On our 4th run we swapped cars and I pulled a 53.1 and she pulled a 52.2 in my Z. I'm sure with more practice I could have got the Camaro down to 51.XX but we both wanted to focus on our own cars. There was another camaro there who claimed to be stock running 49-50 all night long. I thought he was just a good driver. Half way through the night I saw him pop his hood slightly and saw he had an intake. So I started to take a closer look at his car and noticed it also sat 1.25 inch lower than our Camaro.

The Camaro just feels too powerful for auto-x. I mean I barely use a fraction of the power of my Z on an auto-x track but with the Camaro it's ridiculous. So much torque on tap the car can get away from you very easily. On a curvy canyon road it's easy to drive but on a technical auto-x course it's a bit of a handfull. The Z on the other hand is very easy to control and is very precise. The only car I've driven that I enjoyed more on the auto-x course was my 280z, and thats mainly because it weights 2600lbs. On auto-x it's not about power but about weight and control. Still, I'll take the Z or Camaro as my DD vs. some light weight like a miata or FRS
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im just gonna go ahead and repost this

VIR- Virginia International Raceway (aka Americas Nureburg)

The 370z does the V.I.R. Track in only 3:12. While the 1LE does it in a crazy good (for price) 2:58. For comparision the ZL1 does it in 2:52. And the ZR1 Vette only does it in 2:45.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:27 AM   #62
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The LS2 in the GTO is overrated.

At local dyno day my friend's L99 with intake and programmer did 357 whp.

A stock LS2 manual did 323 whp, and another ls2 with headers/intake/tune did 366 whp.


LS2's really make more around 370 at the crank stock, an auto ls2 would have dyno'd significantly lower then those 6-speeds.


GTO's weigh about 3600 lbs. G8 GT's weigh around 3900 lbs.... The GTO has a 200 lb passenger(just a guess) and essentially eliminates the weight difference. From my experience close races like that are determined by whichever car has a passenger(when there's just one for the 2 cars).


The LS1 is a better more reliable overall package then the ls2 when it comes to heads/cams... It's stronger and the best years for the LS1. My friend's has 460 whp and traps 119 mph and pulls cars that trap 120+ in real life, his is the ls1.

How do you manage to stage your car without wrecking is beyond me. That is some of the dumbest stuff I have ever read.
Show us all the disappointed LS2 owners swapping out their 6.0l for a used LS1.

RE: the track times at VIR. With those lap times a 30 minute session the Z would be about a mile behind.
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Well, actually all the LS2 owners have swapped their engine to the one from the G35s, as it is far superior in every way to an LS engine. Even the new generation of LT engines fall to the mighty G35s.

The G35s does a 1/4 mile .2 faster than whatever you say you drive. Even a Honda Accord is faster.

I'll post videos and pics later of two random 4th gens I claim I bought off Craigslist that had title issues and the motor blew up, then aliens took it, and then I got the cash back, and now I'm going to buy this other one and build it myself.

I don't even know why i'm building that slow 4th gen camaro when my G35s will walk it in the 1/4.
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350-370z's are slow. end of story.
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I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Well, actually all the LS2 owners have swapped their engine to the one from the G35s, as it is far superior in every way to an LS engine. Even the new generation of LT engines fall to the mighty G35s.

The G35s does a 1/4 mile .2 faster than whatever you say you drive. Even a Honda Accord is faster.

I'll post videos and pics later of two random 4th gens I claim I bought off Craigslist that had title issues and the motor blew up, then aliens took it, and then I got the cash back, and now I'm going to buy this other one and build it myself.

I don't even know why i'm building that slow 4th gen camaro when my G35s will walk it in the 1/4.
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350-370z's are slow. end of story.
Keeping it real, they are not slow by any means. They are slower than the SS that's for sure. But they aren't slow. You take one for granted and slip up and miss a shift or spin too much and you won't catch them if they get out in front of you. And the Nismo will probably run neck and neck given a better driver.
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I owned 2 GTOs (both LS2s).
My manual LS2 GTO dynoed in the 340-345 rwhp range (same as a bunch of my buddies that also had manual GTOs)
With cam, full bolt ons, and tune it made 415 rwhp.


My stock automatic LS2 GTO made around 310 - 312 rwhp. Ran 13.3 @ 105 mph
With basic bolt ons it made 336 - 340 rwhp. Ran 12.9 @ 109 mph.


I had a couple friends with LS1 GTOs. Stock vs. Stock, I always beat them by a couple cars when we drag raced. An LS2 GTO will pull away from an LS1 GTO as speed increase (70+ mph).
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LS2 is faster, but once you do a full on heads/cam car the LS1 is stronger and has just as much potential.
Why, please explain.
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And the stock car was doing pretty well!
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Well, actually all the LS2 owners have swapped their engine to the one from the G35s, as it is far superior in every way to an LS engine. Even the new generation of LT engines fall to the mighty G35s.

The G35s does a 1/4 mile .2 faster than whatever you say you drive. Even a Honda Accord is faster.

I'll post videos and pics later of two random 4th gens I claim I bought off Craigslist that had title issues and the motor blew up, then aliens took it, and then I got the cash back, and now I'm going to buy this other one and build it myself.

I don't even know why i'm building that slow 4th gen camaro when my G35s will walk it in the 1/4.
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My fiancee and I settled this debate last night. I've got a 370z Nismo and she has a SS 6MT. After nearly 3 years we finally went out and raced. It took so long because I wanted to get tires that were actually worth a damn. The stock tires on the 370z leave a lot to be desired. After we went to auto-x last night we then went and had a little straight line fun. We did 3 drag runs, switching cars on the third run, and one rolling run.

1st drag: I launched perfect, she didn't, by 110 there was a 1/2 a car between us

2nd drag: I launched good, she launched good, by 110 my front bumper was at her side mirror

3rd drag: We switched cars. Now mind you this was only the 2nd time for her driving my car and 1st time racing it. I got a good launch, she got a average one, by 110 the 370z bumper was at the Camaro's rear wheels.

Roll race: Started at 60mph and both started in 3rd. By 130 we were next to each other with my bumper (370z) at her front wheels.

Take home from what I saw. First off in the drag race the cars seem to be mostly even with neither car pulling on the other until about 80mph. At that time it seems the Camaro does start to pull. In all three races that is where the Camaro made it's biggest pull. Secondly, and most important, the cars are so close performance wise that it really comes down to the driver. On paper the edge goes to the Camaro and I'm sure a single driver driving both cars back to back will probably pull slightly better numbers with the Camaro. But on the street or at the track with two average joes behind the wheel it's going to come down to driver. No sense arguing who is faster, rather argue who is the better driver.

On the rolling race the cars seemed even until about 4th gear and the Camaro started edging out. After about 115mph the Z seemed to be in it's stride and stopped the Camaro from pulling. Basically telling me that as speeds increased areo started playing a bigger factor.

All that being said if we are talking about a 1LE I would whole heartily put the money on the Camaro simply because the more aggressive gearing will give it the advantage it needs to make a clear victory.
Great post! And answers the question.

Your fiancée is a real leadfoot! I'm impressed. You two are going to have a lot of fun together over the years, I can tell.

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Are you saying heads/cam LS1 is better than heads/cam LS2 or better than stock LS2? And I'm assuming it's stronger because it's smaller displacement sorta how the LS7 isn't very good for boost?
Stock for stock LS2 is faster, but heads/cam the ls1 responds better... My friend's heads/cam ls1(480) makes 50 whp more then other friends heads/cam ls2(430) gto. His ls1 can rev to 7200 rpm too.... An LS2 will never see 7k+ without throwing a rod.
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I've had both ls1s and ls2s. Both are good motors. The ls2 will make more power if you bolted the same heads and used the same cam. As far as throwing a rod a 7200rpm show me all the ls2s with holes in them and I'll show you double that in ls1s. Any idiot can blow up a ls motor. I have seen some broke cranks in ls1s but that can happen to both. Bottom line is the bigger bore of the ls2 gives you more head options(ls3). The bigger bore will let the heads flow better every time. It helps keep from shrouding the side of the intake valve. You can make 500rwhp with a 4.8 or a 5.3 if you want to spend big money. Buy 5000 heads,a itb intake, rev it to 8000 or 9000 rpm. Comparing a couple buddy's engines that both have heads and cams isn't comparing apples to apples when we don't know the specs. A ls1 will make more power if it has a more aggressive cam and better after market heads.
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Well we just ordered our 2014 1LE and it should be here towards the end of October. So I'm thinking sometime next spring we'll race again after the car has been broken in and the weather has warmed up a bit. I'm sure the 1LE will probably take my 370z. Plus I'm not sure it will be stock by next spring. This time around we are thinking of doing some stuff right off the bat. We already got the NPP exhaust but I'm thinking of adding an intake right away as well.
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