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09-26-2009, 02:46 PM | #44 |
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We all thrive on anticipation and speculation, since it's a vital part of the overall enthusiast's passion, etc.; and this thread is specifically a "what do you think?" thread. But... Ultimately, our desires, opinions, and projections aren't the bulk part of the business model.
Z28 is not a "value" business model at GM; it's a "profit" and "niche image" scenario. Production will be tiny relative to even the "New GM" scale of production. Beyond initial engineering, Z28 will simply be a product that has to meet spreadsheet viability goals for the corporate bottom-line. That means per-unit profitability well beyond what the V6/SS "value Camaros" must sustain. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, oughta... All ultimately moot points, as entertaining and enlightening as they are. Recent valid insider info indicates Z28 base price will be in the low-50s including gas guzzler. Much as we all would like to have one for $5k-$10k less, it "ain't happenin'". Considering the overall economic and environmental conditions and mindsets, I'm glad the Z28 will make it into production regardless of the final MSRP. Bottom line: A 550+ SAE net hp Camaro is an unprecedented historical event, AND it's happening against all possible odds. I hope the enthusiast community doesn't levy price-based criticism at GM when Z28 costs "too much". Expect it: $50k-plus... And well worth every penny and more. |
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They also thought the Camaro as a whole, and then the SS V8 would be niche, but look at the volume. Make no mistake about it the Z/28 is all marketing! All that being said i can't believe for a moment they would not offer 2 trim levels in the Z/28 as they offer in the V6 & SS. Pricing Low $40's to High $40's. p.s. noticed you own a ZR1, based on performance comparisons that Vette could sell easily for another $20K - $30K, again VALUE is ruling at GM. |
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09-26-2009, 04:01 PM | #49 |
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We all know how great looking the Gen 5 is and the z-28 will probably be even greater looking. If you take an MSRP of $52,000 & add tax, that's another $4,500 for me at least plus i'm sure they will be getting over list too! No Camaro is worth that much to me! They have to be careful not to price themselves out of the market. How many could they sell with the price approaching $60,000?
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Offers more for less than a GT500? Depends on what you are looking at. The whole GT500 engine is forged, not getting that with a similiar priced Z28 are you? This means alot to some people and not so much to others. The GT500 engine is hand-made, not getting that for a similiar priced Z28 are you? Again this means something to others and nothing to some. All components on the GT500 are made to handle almost any mods/mass power, I guess we will just have to wait and see if the Z28 components are the same way. Point is there is alot more value in a GT500 than what you might think when you look at its price tag, so before you go saying Z28 will be more value for its money you need to realize fully what the GT500 has to offer cause IMHO the are going to be priced about identical to each other and they will both offer great things to their buyers. It just all depends on the person(s) personal preference, what they value in a car, and what they want to do with that car.
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Without a lot of the Lux items it very may well be $43K - $45K. I already said it and I will say it again! In an off the showroom floor contest the Z/28 will be a better value. It will perform better. The forged components are nice, but I'll take the IRS any day. |
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7K difference in engines, soooooooo, 46K
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09-26-2009, 07:54 PM | #53 |
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Let me clarify briefly... I wasn't indicating GM's products didn't promote and represent value, I was simply specifying the business model's stand-alone priority structure. GM is not scouring the forums to deduce their pricing strategy based on opinions.
I was tactfully trying to pass on accurate inside info without "challenging" everyone's opposing speculation. Bottom line: I'm not guessing... Unless they've changed the entire pricing model since April/May, Z28's base price with gas guzzler will NOT be in the $40s. For those who won't like or agree with the $50k+ pricing, I simply hope you'll realize it's a miracle we're even getting Z28 at ANY price and withhold pricing-based criticism. With the V6 and SS Camaro models, Chevrolet addressed the value equation for the bulk of the performance market. Z28 is still an incredible value at $50k+, even if it means some can't or won't spring for the premium. |
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I did not point your/anyones name out specifically when i said "fool". Maybe i should have said "naive" instead of "fool", sorry about that. Believe me there has been alot more harsh things said on this site than "fool". I don't need your warnings boy, save it for someone who cares. Here is my justification for why the Z28 will have an MSRP of at least $45k and probably more than that. The Z28 will be more than just an engine u/g hence there will be more of a price difference than just $6-7k for the different engines. There will most likely be drive-train component u/g, wheel u/g, brake u/g, interior u/g, clutch u/g and who knows what else which will result in more than just a $6-7k price difference than an SS. Gotta look at the big picture, not just what's under the hood. If the Z28 MSRP is anything less than $45k I will buy one myself. I'm already considering about getting one whenever they come out even if it's got a $50k MSRP, it's going to be a sweet car for sure.
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Highlighting in red allows anyone reading to understand why a comment is being made on a previous post. Apparently your not quite so young as you refer to someone derogatorily as boy. Well, I'm not so young either and I'm definately not your "boy". If you didn't care why the reply? And, thanks for schooling me on the Z/28 being a package and not just an engine upgrade. Back on topic; I'm looking for GM to continue with their "Value" push. Just look at the performance per dollar of a stripped SS/1 Vs. a stripped GT. (Don't get me wrong I like the Mustang and if I could afford it as you I would own both and even a Challenger to boot.) This encourages me to believe they would price it quite competitively. Add to that the probability of 2 levels of optioning (ie. SS/1 & SS/2) and I believe it could very possibly "start" below $45K. In closing, I agree it will be sweet! |
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Well there is the fact that despite the grunt under the hood, The CTS-V is still a luxury sedan.
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