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Col. Brain · 05-02-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098

first place off the top of my head. I have an LS7 already

Optimus · 05-02-2013, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098

Correct me if I am wrong but will that exact engine fit into a camaro? I thought i read that the exhaust manifold, etc was specifically modified to fit the engine bay of the camaro. If it is truly as easy as ordering a 1LE and then dropping another $13,500 on the engine, then that's a bargin - maybe less than a ZL-1, depending on labor costs. Damn, I am so confused on what to buy. Just glad I have awesome choices...

Wizard1183 · 05-02-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Col. Brain

first place off the top of my head. I have an LS7 already

Right on! But its in a vette :( lol jk

Col. Brain · 05-02-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimus

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping.

http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098

Correct me if I am wrong but will that exact engine fit into a camaro? I thought i read that the exhaust manifold, etc was specifically modified to fit the engine bay of the camaro. If it is truly as easy as ordering a 1LE and then dropping another $13,500 on the engine, then that's a bargin - maybe less than a ZL-1, depending on labor costs. Damn, I am so confused on what to buy. Just glad I have awesome choices...

Manifolds can be changed but im pretty sure the engine mounts are the same so it should in theory "drop in"

As for just the engine - you will need to have it tuned. You will also need to convert it to a wet sump system (Mast Motorsports sell their LS7s already converted).

I am sure there are a few other things but yes I would think you could do the swap under 20k. So for about 50k you could have a 427 1LE

Col. Brain · 05-02-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183

Right on! But its in a vette :( lol jk

And I will probably sell it now before the value tanks

Wizard1183 · 05-03-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Col. Brain

Manifolds can be changed but im pretty sure the engine mounts are the same so it should in theory "drop in"

As for just the engine - you will need to have it tuned. You will also need to convert it to a wet sump system (Mast Motorsports sell their LS7s already converted).

I am sure there are a few other things but yes I would think you could do the swap under 20k. So for about 50k you could have a 427 1LE

The price I gave with the link is just the engine. There's more you'll need. Total cost of the engine with wiring harness and dry sump system ready to drop in, is around $16000. I'd keep it dry sump instead of converting it to wet sump. That's just me tho. It'd be much easier for a wet sump configuration and if I'm not mistaken, you can swap the las3 oil pan onto this 427 along with a few other things.

Col. Brain · 05-03-2013, 09:47 AM

i think it was HOT ROD magazine that did a wet sump conversion to the LS7 and it picked up something like 20hp.

Wizard1183 · 05-03-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Col. Brain

i think it was HOT ROD magazine that did a wet sump conversion to the LS7 and it picked up something like 20hp.

Yep I read the article a cpl wks ago.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...n/viewall.html

Hib Halverson · 05-04-2013, 11:50 AM

C7's already proven to be about 2-sec/lap quicker around VIR than the old C6 Grand Sport.

Whether the Z/28 will be quicker than a C7 is an interesting debate.

Yeah, it's got 55 more horsepower but it's also got about 500-lbs more to carry and it's got worse areo.

Once the C7 Z51 is available it would be really interesting to test it against the Z/28.

If you're looking for Camaro LS7 info, it's at:
http://www.camarohomepage.com/ls7/index.htm

Number 3 · 05-04-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson

C7's already proven to be about 2-sec/lap quicker around VIR than the old C6 Grand Sport.

Whether the Z/28 will be quicker than a C7 is an interesting debate.

Yeah, it's got 55 more horsepower but it's also got about 500-lbs more to carry and it's got worse areo.

Once the C7 Z51 is available it would be really interesting to test it against the Z/28.

If you're looking for Camaro LS7 info, it's at:
http://www.camarohomepage.com/ls7/index.htm

And that's assuming "more than 450 HP" doesnt' really mean 470. Of course the LS7 could make more in the Camaro as well.

So in the end it's just good conversation.

Also need to see gearing and a few other non released tidbits.

KarFan · 05-04-2013, 02:03 PM

C7 fans shouldn't worry too much if the Z/28 performs better because it's likely to cost more.

Bomino · 05-04-2013, 02:18 PM

1le is just as fast as the c6 GS (according to C&D), so that would mean the c7 is 2 seconds faster than the 1le...

And if the Z/28 is 3-4 seconds faster than the zl1, then its probably also going to be faster than the z51

gnturboray · 05-04-2013, 03:47 PM

The Vette guys said the z28 will weigh around 3800-3900lbs?! Hhahahaha, my SS weighs is in at 3868 with a blower and half a tank of gas. The new z28 is supposed to be 300lbs lighter so roughly 3500lbs and the same weight as the current 5.0 Mustang.

Forty5th · 05-04-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gnturboray

The Vette guys said the z28 will weigh around 3800-3900lbs?! Hhahahaha, my SS weighs is in at 3868 with a blower and half a tank of gas. The new z28 is supposed to be 300lbs lighter so roughly 3500lbs and the same weight as the current 5.0 Mustang.

The Z/28 is supposed to be approx 300lbs lighter than the ZL1, not the SS. Go recalculate...

Here's one article... read up.

05-04-2013, 11:50 AM	#23
Hib Halverson Drives: 2001 Camaro RS Join Date: May 2013 Location: Goleta CA Posts: 6	C7's already proven to be about 2-sec/lap quicker around VIR than the old C6 Grand Sport. Whether the Z/28 will be quicker than a C7 is an interesting debate. Yeah, it's got 55 more horsepower but it's also got about 500-lbs more to carry and it's got worse areo. Once the C7 Z51 is available it would be really interesting to test it against the Z/28. If you're looking for Camaro LS7 info, it's at: http://www.camarohomepage.com/ls7/index.htm __________________ Hib Halverson, Content Director Camaro Homepage

05-04-2013, 02:18 PM	#26
Bomino Drives: 2011 2ss/rs Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Nurburgring Posts: 104	1le is just as fast as the c6 GS (according to C&D), so that would mean the c7 is 2 seconds faster than the 1le... And if the Z/28 is 3-4 seconds faster than the zl1, then its probably also going to be faster than the z51 __________________

05-02-2013, 12:26 PM	#16
Optimus Drives: Former 2010 and 2013 Camaro owner Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Warwick, NY Posts: 145	Originally Posted by Wizard1183 Thats high! You can buy them here for $13,592 + $175 shipping. http://performanceparts.com/part/GMP/19244098 Correct me if I am wrong but will that exact engine fit into a camaro? I thought i read that the exhaust manifold, etc was specifically modified to fit the engine bay of the camaro. If it is truly as easy as ordering a 1LE and then dropping another $13,500 on the engine, then that's a bargin - maybe less than a ZL-1, depending on labor costs. Damn, I am so confused on what to buy. Just glad I have awesome choices...

05-03-2013, 09:47 AM	#21
Col. Brain Drives: 2012 Ram 1980 Malibu Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Otherside of the screen Posts: 362	i think it was HOT ROD magazine that did a wet sump conversion to the LS7 and it picked up something like 20hp.

05-04-2013, 02:03 PM	#25
KarFan Drives: 2023 SGM Camaro 2SS 1LE 6M Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 575	C7 fans shouldn't worry too much if the Z/28 performs better because it's likely to cost more.

05-04-2013, 03:47 PM	#27
gnturboray Drives: SIM 2010 2SS/RS LS3 LPE750 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Mckinney, Texas Posts: 764	The Vette guys said the z28 will weigh around 3800-3900lbs?! Hhahahaha, my SS weighs is in at 3868 with a blower and half a tank of gas. The new z28 is supposed to be 300lbs lighter so roughly 3500lbs and the same weight as the current 5.0 Mustang.