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Old 10-30-2014, 01:21 PM   #477
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Motor trend just tested the BMW m4 at streets of willow and randy pobst laped a 1:23.73 in the m4 and 2013 1 le lapped streets of willow in 1:22.7 a second faster than the m4 ! By the way the m4 had ceramic brakes and stickerd at $86,000 !
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Old 10-30-2014, 02:30 PM   #478
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FWIW, and I don't put much into this bc different days, different drivers ( but a hand full of cars driven by Randy) here is a list of recorded lap times at streets of willow. The 15 PP is faster than these current cars. I jsut quickly glanced over this list and kept the cars within 2 model years of the 15 PP. I am not defending the comments made by Ford, just putting this up here for conversation and reference.

17. Ford Mustang GT Performance Pack 1:24.32 '15 426 / 1650 Randy Pobst
18. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 1:24.55 '14 461 / 1577 EdMunds InsideLine
19. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 1:24.60 '14 461 / 1577
20. Mercedes CLS 63 AMG S-Model 1:24.70 '13 585 / 1870
21. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S 1:24.85 '13 573 / 1665 Randy Pobst .
25. Chevrolet SS 1:25.71 '14 421 / 1800 Randy Probst
26. Ford Mustang GT 5.0 1:25.77 '12 426 / 1641 Randy Pobst .
28. Subaru WRX STI 1:26.12 '14 309 / 1545 Randy Pobst
29. Mercedes CLA 45 AMG 1:26.20 '13 360 / 1395 Randy Pobst
30. BMW M235i 1:26.37 '14 326 / 1455 Randy Pobst
31. Jaguar XFR-S 1:26.49 '13 550 / 1987 Randy Pobst
33. Porsche Cayman S 1:27.00 '13 325 / 1320

I would have loved Randy to take the 15 PP around Laguna Seca, bc there are alot more cars that, recent ones, driven by Randy that we could compare to.
Great work numbers don't lie, It is a very good car and I cant wait to see it put on more tracks for more comparisons, short technical tracks, long fast tracks, to see where its weaknesses and strengths are. Also with different drivers to see how easy it is to get the most out off, Some cars need a professional to handle them others can reach 95% percent of their potential in the hands of mere mortals.
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Old 10-31-2014, 08:16 AM   #479
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If you look a the serious track heads here who track often, none of them leave the 1LE stock. I bet once the parallel Mustangers get a hold of the PP GT (funny when you say that) they will do the same and run right with the 1LEs. It will be a drivers race. The new GT no longer has the weak kneed brakes and may not suffer from heat soak as much as the LS3. Not sure about that one. The 1LE will still have the advantage of a stiffer chassis so it does not mind using the curbs. The GT is still a few pounds lighter and it will be cool to see how a little tuning and maybe the Boss intake will wake up the new V3 5.0. It can outrev the LS3. And the 15 GT is supposed to have the transmission and shifting problems solved out of the box.

So the 1LE wins the stock track trophy and also has captured the Internet racing win. The '15 GT is a big improvement and if you were buying a pony/muscle car today you would be doing yourself a disservice not to consider both cars. But you would be doing yourself a greater disservice if you didn't wait to see how the CA6 2016 Camaro turns out, then compare.
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:09 PM   #480
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Great work numbers don't lie, It is a very good car and I cant wait to see it put on more tracks for more comparisons, short technical tracks, long fast tracks, to see where its weaknesses and strengths are. Also with different drivers to see how easy it is to get the most out off, Some cars need a professional to handle them others can reach 95% percent of their potential in the hands of mere mortals.
I would really like to the 15 GT PP tested on Laguna Seca
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Old 11-05-2014, 12:40 PM   #481
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On the other side of the river the debate still rages on. Comments of just add this to the PP and blah blah are just an excuse. Can't win them all. Pick your poison and know every car has its ups and downs.

With that being said it's the driver that counts the most. I still beat drivers of 5.0s on the track but I know with a better person behind the wheel they may come out ahead.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:03 PM   #482
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It's not an excuse to feel that Ford sacrificed some handling performance in the name of appearance . . . in an option they call a "Performance Package". Should have put up a better fight against the 1LE than it did.


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Old 11-05-2014, 03:08 PM   #483
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1LE = "Track Pack"

GT PP = "To the Track Pack"
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:13 PM   #484
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Motor trend just tested the BMW m4 at streets of willow and randy pobst laped a 1:23.73 in the m4 and 2013 1 le lapped streets of willow in 1:22.7 a second faster than the m4 ! By the way the m4 had ceramic brakes and stickerd at $86,000 !
That's awesome.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:23 PM   #485
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:20 AM   #486
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:36 AM   #487
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It's not an excuse to feel that Ford sacrificed some handling performance in the name of appearance . . . in an option they call a "Performance Package". Should have put up a better fight against the 1LE than it did.


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Wait........ Why would Ford do that for looks ! I mean they should've just learned from Chevy They did everything to the 1LE for performance and look how monster it looks!
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:45 AM   #488
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New Mustang is sick. Mods will make it really potent. Not to mention this new platform just came out. It will only get better over time.

That said, Camaro 1LE is sick as well and is a great value. Hard for me to say which one I'd part ways with my money for one. I'm being conservative and keeping my v6 bc its paid off...but oh the pain I get from seeing all these bad-ass cars coming out!!! Be responsible, be responsible be responsible...

I'd have to drive the new GT to see if it would be worth switching over - but 2014+ 1LE's are just money... its a great time we live in
Huh? Why wouldn't you get the 1LE than since you already know it's great? Not making sense
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:50 AM   #489
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Maybe they should have named it the "Confusion"...
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