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nhra stocker · 08-03-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

I was sponsored by the marketing arm of GM Performance Parts. My Camaro project was part of my duties while under contract with GM. I am no longer under contract.

Most of the help that I recieved was from Jason Haines at Lingenfelter. They have extensive history with the LSA in CTS-V customer cars.

Our goal was to highlight the performance potential of the GM Performance Parts LSA crate engine.

If my wife doesn't want the Camaro as a driver I will pull the LSA and re install the LS3. I will save the LSA for another project

Robin

Very cool! Is the car meeting your expectations? Also what was the weight of your LSA Camaro?

Scarrzz · 08-03-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by codo

just think we could be dining on shelbys in a stock Camaro next year

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Yeah, I'm getting SO VERY Hungry for some pony meat.

BTW, that side badge says, " I hope you like the taillights."

[ Forged Pistons & Rods, PLZ ! ]

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Raven87 · 08-03-2010, 02:27 PM

As most of you know, the 2011 GT500 has the all aluminum block from the Ford GT. It is currently producing a rated 550HP but that is probably slightly underrated - it is putting down over 500HP to the rear wheels according to numerous reports.

Don't expect the new Z/28 (and I am a huge fan having owned numerous F-Bodies over the years) to have much more than 565-575HP, if that.

My best guess is around 555 - 560 HP. Why? Chevrolet is not going to outshine the Z06 (which will kill the Z28 on power to weight) nor especially the ZR1. No matter how much we want, beg, plead, threaten, or otherwise try to get a monster Z28 GM has to sell other cars.

Oh, and pricing? It's not going to matter at first because dealers will be gouging the buyers astronomically with their greedy 'Market Adjustment' moves. But don't look for a Z28 to be any less than ~$50k MSRP given what the blower and suspension packages are going to cost as well as how it will compete price-wise with the CTS-V.

Just my two cents but I'm betting I'm not far off... either way, BRING ON THE Z!

Robin Lawrence · 08-03-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nhra stocker

Very cool! Is the car meeting your expectations? Also what was the weight of your LSA Camaro?

4080 pounds with me in the car. That is with the 18" ZO6 rear wheels and Mickey Thompson radials. With the 20" wheels and Nittos it is 4100 pounds with me in the car.

Robin

SSyanide · 08-03-2010, 02:32 PM

If it hits as the Z28, I can forsee it going for around the same price as the CTS-V coupe, especially with dealer markups.

nhra stocker · 08-03-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

4080 pounds with me in the car. That is with the 18" ZO6 rear wheels and Mickey Thompson radials. With the 20" wheels and Nittos it is 4100 pounds with me in the car.

Robin

We need to sign up the Camaro for Weight Watchers!

lil_red_v6 · 08-03-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven87

As most of you know, the 2011 GT500 has the all aluminum block from the Ford GT. It is currently producing a rated 550HP but that is probably slightly underrated - it is putting down over 500HP to the rear wheels according to numerous reports.

Don't expect the new Z/28 (and I am a huge fan having owned numerous F-Bodies over the years) to have much more than 565-575HP, if that.

My best guess is around 555 - 560 HP. Why? Chevrolet is not going to outshine the Z06 (which will kill the Z28 on power to weight) nor especially the ZR1. No matter how much we want, beg, plead, threaten, or otherwise try to get a monster Z28 GM has to sell other cars.

Oh, and pricing? It's not going to matter at first because dealers will be gouging the buyers astronomically with their greedy 'Market Adjustment' moves. But don't look for a Z28 to be any less than ~$50k MSRP given what the blower and suspension packages are going to cost as well as how it will compete price-wise with the CTS-V.

Just my two cents but I'm betting I'm not far off... either way, BRING ON THE Z!

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Originally Posted by SSyanide

If it hits as the Z28, I can forsee it going for around the same price as the CTS-V coupe, especially with dealer markups.

the cts v is a luxury sports car though. there going to be priced high. i think its going to be sold less, u have to look at the lenginfelter camaros what r they priced at, surly the z28 wont be higher then them. i say it will be around 40-45k for a z28. just my .02

Kyle2k · 08-03-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nhra stocker

We need to sign up the Camaro for Weight Watchers!

It's with him in the car...assuming he doesnt weigh 100 lbs....that really isnt too bad of a weight for a s/c'd car. The Gt500 weighs 3820 so if we are just 100lbs heavier...we are in good running I believe. However I'm guessing the weight difference might be closer than that.

*radz28* · 08-03-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

It's with him in the car...assuming he doesnt weigh 100 lbs....that really isnt too bad of a weight for a s/c'd car. The Gt500 weighs 3820 so if we are just 100lbs heavier...we are in good running I believe. However I'm guessing the weight difference might be closer than that.

Yes, but has Robin commented on any strengthened powertrain parts except the 4L80-swap? I suspect Z28 is going to get stronger/heavier drive and axleshafts, pushings, brakes, differential, and maybe even cradles. I'd love to be wrong

Kyle2k · 08-03-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by radz28

Yes, but has Robin commented on any strengthened powertrain parts except the 4L80-swap? I suspect Z28 is going to get stronger/heavier drive and axleshafts, pushings, brakes, differential, and maybe even cradles. I'd love to be wrong

There is a lot of weight to be lost in the dual keg muffler set up of an exhaust on the SS too. I'm guessing it will even out.

AZCamaroFan · 08-03-2010, 02:47 PM

i would think it would be under the CTS-V in price, after all loaded SS's are cheaper than most CTS'.
i have no doubt if Chevrolet fully explores the possibilities of the Camaro chassis, and engine, they can outdo the GT500.

Jer4251 · 08-03-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by toesuf94

Nice catch! I looked again and it looks like the SUPERCHARGED emblem from the XLR-V Door.

I wonder if the Z28 is IN the Bowtie, and that is why they are covered up?

Anybody else notice Halo's and black roof ditch mouldings on a red car?

thats what i noticed also. wanted to read through all the posts to make sure i didnt double post the same info.

storm79 · 08-03-2010, 02:57 PM

not sure if anyone mentioned it but that is actually a 2011 mustang i believe. from what the wheels look like anyways. Which is a good thing because the 2011 is obviously better than the 2010 so they are shooting to be better than that.

*radz28* · 08-03-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

There is a lot of weight to be lost in the dual keg muffler set up of an exhaust on the SS too. I'm guessing it will even out.

I hope it does. It'd be nice to see some more aluminum in the chassis

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Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

i would think it would be under the CTS-V in price, after all loaded SS's are cheaper than most CTS'.
i have no doubt if Chevrolet fully explores the possibilities of the Camaro chassis, and engine, they can outdo the GT500.

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Originally Posted by Jer4251

thats what i noticed also. wanted to read through all the posts to make sure i didnt double post the same info.

I never noticed that

Good catch!

I'm not seeing the rocker molding changes that someone (maybe not here) mentioned they saw

I'm more curious of the hood, though. It seems to be softer than LT/SS

08-03-2010, 02:57 PM	#153
storm79 Drives: 2007 GMC Sierra Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middle of nowhere Posts: 281	not sure if anyone mentioned it but that is actually a 2011 mustang i believe. from what the wheels look like anyways. Which is a good thing because the 2011 is obviously better than the 2010 so they are shooting to be better than that. __________________

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08-03-2010, 02:27 PM	#143
Raven87 C'mon- really? Drives: Looking for a ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nortwestern Ohio Posts: 1,966 View My Garage	As most of you know, the 2011 GT500 has the all aluminum block from the Ford GT. It is currently producing a rated 550HP but that is probably slightly underrated - it is putting down over 500HP to the rear wheels according to numerous reports. Don't expect the new Z/28 (and I am a huge fan having owned numerous F-Bodies over the years) to have much more than 565-575HP, if that. My best guess is around 555 - 560 HP. Why? Chevrolet is not going to outshine the Z06 (which will kill the Z28 on power to weight) nor especially the ZR1. No matter how much we want, beg, plead, threaten, or otherwise try to get a monster Z28 GM has to sell other cars. Oh, and pricing? It's not going to matter at first because dealers will be gouging the buyers astronomically with their greedy 'Market Adjustment' moves. But don't look for a Z28 to be any less than ~$50k MSRP given what the blower and suspension packages are going to cost as well as how it will compete price-wise with the CTS-V. Just my two cents but I'm betting I'm not far off... either way, BRING ON THE Z!

08-03-2010, 02:32 PM	#145
SSyanide Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NC Posts: 258	If it hits as the Z28, I can forsee it going for around the same price as the CTS-V coupe, especially with dealer markups.

08-03-2010, 02:47 PM	#151
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,450	i would think it would be under the CTS-V in price, after all loaded SS's are cheaper than most CTS'. i have no doubt if Chevrolet fully explores the possibilities of the Camaro chassis, and engine, they can outdo the GT500.