Please put XXX engine in Z28

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by trns4mur

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[JHart]

i'd say let the z28 get the ls7, while allowing the SS to get the LSA

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by JHart

i'd say let the z28 get the ls7, while allowing the SS to get the LSA

LS7 is on it's way out. unless something drasticly changes (which I highly highly doubt). The SS is a current model. why would it get bumped up to the power of an LSA? and does it really deserve it? seeing how the SS name plate is watered down pretty badly. why are people so stuck on the SS being the end all be all? ZL1 would be better for an LSA/LS9 and the Z28 would be great for a Gen V motor. hopefully pushing over 500 hp with smaller displacement then current LS3's. that's IMHO.

[St33lsinger]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

LS7 is on it's way out. unless something drasticly changes (which I highly highly doubt). The SS is a current model. why would it get bumped up to the power of an LSA? and does it really deserve it? seeing how the SS name plate is watered down pretty badly. why are people so stuck on the SS being the end all be all? ZL1 would be better for an LSA/LS9 and the Z28 would be great for a Gen V motor. hopefully pushing over 500 hp with smaller displacement then current LS3's. that's IMHO.

I agree the Super Sport version should (IMHO) be the king of all with something like the ZL1 or something simular. ANd the Z28 with a better handling package with a Gen V motor.

[Q-ship]

The LS9 in a Camaro from GM is a pipe dream, GM has never put the top of the line Corvette engine in any other model and the LS9 isn't going be any different, the only way is after the ZR1 has ended production. LSA at least has a chance to get into the Camaro. LS7 isn't long for this world (at least that is what I keep hearing). TT V6 has potentual but would turn off too many traditionalist, this an area where a Pontiac Firebird would have needed to go...RIP Pontiac. Gen 5 is a pig in a poke until there are details.

There needs to be another choice on this poll. How about a retuned LS3 with a 3.73 or 3.90 gears, weight reduction, carbon brakes, tuned up suspension, and simple styling (hood scoop, duck tail spoiler). That is what the Z28 was and should stay not a overpowered sledgehammer, think more like Corvette GS that GM just released. Z/28 is supposed to be a velvet glove that cuts corners not hammers the tires to acceleration smoke. Look at the GT500 and you see a car that has more power than it can put down so the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS are not that far off on a road course.

[attymf]

I think the CTS-V set up makes the most sense for several reasons.

First, the Camaro is in essence a CTS. Same frame and assembly line. The engines are already being delivered to the plant.

Second, it is a proven engine that works. I doubt any mods to the vehicle are necessary at all to get it going.

Lastly, the engine is putting out over 550 HP right off the showroom floor. An air intake, exhaust tune and quick pully change and that sucker is well over 600HP.

So, I'd use the LSA platform in this situation.

As far as the rest of the car I would beef up the suspension and brakes a little. Car should be a lot stiffer than the current SS. I would put the nose without the fake intake slot on from the V6 and put a cool hood with a real monster looking intake to make the car look like a 600HP car.

I'd say this car would come in well under $60K.

My 2 cents.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

The LS9 in a Camaro from GM is a pipe dream, GM has never put the top of the line Corvette engine in any other model and the LS9 isn't going be any different, the only way is after the ZR1 has ended production. LSA at least has a chance to get into the Camaro. LS7 isn't long for this world (at least that is what I keep hearing). TT V6 has potentual but would turn off too many traditionalist, this an area where a Pontiac Firebird would have needed to go...RIP Pontiac. Gen 5 is a pig in a poke until there are details.

There needs to be another choice on this poll. How about a retuned LS3 with a 3.73 or 3.90 gears, weight reduction, carbon brakes, tuned up suspension, and simple styling (hood scoop, duck tail spoiler). That is what the Z28 was and should stay not a overpowered sledgehammer, think more like Corvette GS that GM just released. Z/28 is supposed to be a velvet glove that cuts corners not hammers the tires to acceleration smoke. Look at the GT500 and you see a car that has more power than it can put down so the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS are not that far off on a road course.

Honestly (and i dont mean this offensivly) there's a lot in here i disagree with, i'll tackle them in order...first there actually have been Camaros with the top of the line Corvette engines, they were the COPOS, also im not exactly sure but i think the 3rd gen 1LE Camaros had the top Vette engine for their day too...next, the Pontiac comment seemed off-base to me, Pontiac was the last company to keep the monster engines in their arsenal (455, 400, 403) for use in their sports/muscle cars, especially true in the Firebird which has often been known as more of a heavy-hitter than even the Camaro in terms of engines, i could never see the Firebird turning to turbos...quickly hitting the next topic im sure the Z/28 will come standard with more aggressive gearing no matter what engine it gets, and im sure it will get all the other goodies you mentioned as well...then lastly the original Z/28 was quite the heavy-hitter as well as an amazing handling car (just as this one is proposed to be), it had the small-block 302 which was quite a bit lighter than the big blocks, and it put out around 425 horsepower which bested all the big blocks of its day (GM wrote the numbers off as 290 to keep the Trans Am circuit off their back) and with that 425hp at least matches the top Corvette 427 of the day in a lighter small block no less

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by attymf

I think the CTS-V set up makes the most sense for several reasons.

First, the Camaro is in essence a CTS. Same frame and assembly line. The engines are already being delivered to the plant.

Second, it is a proven engine that works. I doubt any mods to the vehicle are necessary at all to get it going.

Lastly, the engine is putting out over 550 HP right off the showroom floor. An air intake, exhaust tune and quick pully change and that sucker is well over 600HP.

So, I'd use the LSA platform in this situation.

As far as the rest of the car I would beef up the suspension and brakes a little. Car should be a lot stiffer than the current SS. I would put the nose without the fake intake slot on from the V6 and put a cool hood with a real monster looking intake to make the car look like a 600HP car.

I'd say this car would come in well under $60K.

My 2 cents.

the car shouldn't be over 50k unless optioned out. no matter how you toss the dice the next high out put camaro will be aimed at the GT500. and the GT500's price starts out at 48k. as for the rest of your post the hp would change due to exhaust and intake changes. not every car you through that engine in will put down the same hp. and that's mainly do to the fact of exhaust and intake restrictions (sizing of the tubes and bends etc) different.

[Q-ship]

Originally Posted by Vega

Honestly (and i dont mean this offensivly) there's a lot in here i disagree with, i'll tackle them in order...first there actually have been Camaros with the top of the line Corvette engines, they were the COPOS, also im not exactly sure but i think the 3rd gen 1LE Camaros had the top Vette engine for their day too...next, the Pontiac comment seemed off-base to me, Pontiac was the last company to keep the monster engines in their arsenal (455, 400, 403) for use in their sports/muscle cars, especially true in the Firebird which has often been known as more of a heavy-hitter than even the Camaro in terms of engines, i could never see the Firebird turning to turbos...quickly hitting the next topic im sure the Z/28 will come standard with more aggressive gearing no matter what engine it gets, and im sure it will get all the other goodies you mentioned as well...then lastly the original Z/28 was quite the heavy-hitter as well as an amazing handling car (just as this one is proposed to be), it had the small-block 302 which was quite a bit lighter than the big blocks, and it put out around 425 horsepower which bested all the big blocks of its day (GM wrote the numbers off as 290 to keep the Trans Am circuit off their back) and with that 425hp at least matches the top Corvette 427 of the day in a lighter small block no less

Ok you say the COPO Camaros....well sorry that is a fail, the Corvette had the L88 as the top dog and where is the COPO L88 Camaro? No such animal exists. Where are the LT5 Camaros like the ZR-1 Corvette? Yes there have been high powered engines shared by both a limited number of Camaros, Chevelles, and Corvette but the were not the top option Corvette engine. So the LS9 will not find a home in the Camaro while it is in a production Corvette. The LE1 Camaro is not a package that contained an engine as part of it, a TPI 305 Z28 could be an LE1. Then you say the L98 engine in the 350 Iroc Camaro was in the Corvette well it was not the top option for the C4 Corvette that tittle goes to the LT5 and later the LT4, nope never made the Camaro. The standard engine in the Corvette did find homes in other chassis, like the L65 327, LT-1 350, and the L98 TPI 350.

So Pontiac never used a turbo in its later years, like the 89 Turbo TA's (out of the GN) or even the 4.9 turbo TAs in 80 and 81 (yes a turd of a TA but a turbo none the less) The big Pontiacs were done in the 1970's and Pontiac had gone down a road of more high tech in the later years of its existance. So nope I stand by my accessment on that one, besides tell me a high tech performance car isn't just cool right along with a high torque muscle car.

Z28 did not necessarly get better gears so that is not a given either because the 1st gen Z28 standard gear was 3.31 which is the same gear as...... hold on to it......... a 1st gen SS350/396 with a 4 speed trans. In the mid 1970's the Z28 Camaro was not much different than the any Camaro that could be ordered including the gears.

The 302 did not put out 425HP as delivered from the showroom, NHRA rerated the 302 to 320 HP after they had been blueprinted and headers installed (yes still underrated 380 - 400 IMO). Traco who preped the Pensky Camaros engines during the 1967 - 69 years got approximatly 460 hp ( this is highly preped 302 not just headers and a tune up). If the same mods were done to a 396/375 or a 427/425 do you think the 302 with its lack of torque stood a snowballs chance, and of course only the 302 was unrated....right? Traco's L88's in the LeMans Corvette for 1967 was 590 HP. Life is more than a drag race anyway and the Z28 was not a drag racer it was (should stay) a great road course car. Big Blocks were not even tried to run in the SCCA in a Camaro body because the crappy weight balance, the big block only went on the road course in a Corvette (still not the best balance but better than the Camaro) The 302 Z/28 was not the fire breathing monster that people remember (unless it had at least 4.11, 4.33 were better), I have driven a few and the later LT-1 Z/28 were much better drivers.

I stand by my acessment of how the next Z/28 (noticed I corrected its name here) should be. If there needs to be a more Firebreathing Camaro SS then a ZL1 option that would included the Z/28 weight reduction, suspension, brakes, and the LSA.

[TaylorRyanSS]

I doubt the LS9 Engine will go in the Z28. It would be way to expensive and not compare to the GT500's power or price. They should do the LSA engine, its more practical. If they do the LSA, they can probably keep the price down to under 50k for the Z28

[boxmonkeyracing]

I love it when people say it will be too expensive if X engine goes in it. makes me laugh so much. they said the same thing before the LS3 came out as the SS engine.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I love it when people say it will be too expensive if X engine goes in it. makes me laugh so much. they said the same thing before the LS3 came out as the SS engine.

I remember I had said early on that if they want to keep the price below 30k (like, around 28-29), they couldn't use the LS3 -- they'd have to use the L76. I hoped they would use the LS3, but I didn't expect them to.

(Glad they did!!)

[jc]

i think GM should hav made a ZL1 for 2009 and made it a 40th for the 1969 ZL1 they should hav put a higher hp LS7 in just for the 427 effect

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

Ok you say the COPO Camaros....well sorry that is a fail, the Corvette had the L88 as the top dog and where is the COPO L88 Camaro? No such animal exists. Where are the LT5 Camaros like the ZR-1 Corvette? Yes there have been high powered engines shared by both a limited number of Camaros, Chevelles, and Corvette but the were not the top option Corvette engine. So the LS9 will not find a home in the Camaro while it is in a production Corvette. The LE1 Camaro is not a package that contained an engine as part of it, a TPI 305 Z28 could be an LE1. Then you say the L98 engine in the 350 Iroc Camaro was in the Corvette well it was not the top option for the C4 Corvette that tittle goes to the LT5 and later the LT4, nope never made the Camaro. The standard engine in the Corvette did find homes in other chassis, like the L65 327, LT-1 350, and the L98 TPI 350.

So Pontiac never used a turbo in its later years, like the 89 Turbo TA's (out of the GN) or even the 4.9 turbo TAs in 80 and 81 (yes a turd of a TA but a turbo none the less) The big Pontiacs were done in the 1970's and Pontiac had gone down a road of more high tech in the later years of its existance. So nope I stand by my accessment on that one, besides tell me a high tech performance car isn't just cool right along with a high torque muscle car.

Z28 did not necessarly get better gears so that is not a given either because the 1st gen Z28 standard gear was 3.31 which is the same gear as...... hold on to it......... a 1st gen SS350/396 with a 4 speed trans. In the mid 1970's the Z28 Camaro was not much different than the any Camaro that could be ordered including the gears.

The 302 did not put out 425HP as delivered from the showroom, NHRA rerated the 302 to 320 HP after they had been blueprinted and headers installed (yes still underrated 380 - 400 IMO). Traco who preped the Pensky Camaros engines during the 1967 - 69 years got approximatly 460 hp ( this is highly preped 302 not just headers and a tune up). If the same mods were done to a 396/375 or a 427/425 do you think the 302 with its lack of torque stood a snowballs chance, and of course only the 302 was unrated....right? Traco's L88's in the LeMans Corvette for 1967 was 590 HP. Life is more than a drag race anyway and the Z28 was not a drag racer it was (should stay) a great road course car. Big Blocks were not even tried to run in the SCCA in a Camaro body because the crappy weight balance, the big block only went on the road course in a Corvette (still not the best balance but better than the Camaro) The 302 Z/28 was not the fire breathing monster that people remember (unless it had at least 4.11, 4.33 were better), I have driven a few and the later LT-1 Z/28 were much better drivers.

I stand by my acessment of how the next Z/28 (noticed I corrected its name here) should be. If there needs to be a more Firebreathing Camaro SS then a ZL1 option that would included the Z/28 weight reduction, suspension, brakes, and the LSA.

Sorry, your answer is an epic FAIL!! The top engine in '69 was the ZL1 engine which was an all aluminum version of the L88 (L88 had aluminum heads and iron block), the ZL1 engine was installed in 71 cars in '69, 2 Corvettes and 69 Camaros for a total of 71 engines. While the ZL1 engine shared the same factory rated HP as the L88 (430hp), it was closer to 500hp in ZL1 configuration.
Clyde