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Jamestwilliams · 10-13-2008, 10:08 PM

Really if you think about what skip shift is doing it's kind of like the old days the really old days when the model t only had a two speed transmission kinda fun. The first manual in a corvette only had three speeds. It's really just reducing the number of gears.

69er · 10-13-2008, 10:11 PM

Yeah, but it's a lot bigger RPM drop between 1-4.

headpunter · 10-13-2008, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamestwilliams

Really if you think about what skip shift is doing it's kind of like the old days the really old days when the model t only had a two speed transmission kinda fun. The first manual in a corvette only had three speeds. It's really just reducing the number of gears.

thats the spirit, use nostalgia to justify it.

LSxJunkie · 10-13-2008, 10:16 PM

The skipshift is there solely to help the Camaro (and all of GM's manual LSx cars) beat the gas guzzler tax. That's also why all of these cars have ridiculously long gearing.

.50 6th gear combined with a 3.46 rear (ratios from my Goat) = 2000 rpm cruising at 80 on the highway, barely sipping gas.

Jamestwilliams · 10-13-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

thats the spirit, use nostalgia to justify it.

Just don't tell anyone what the Model T 0-60 times were, that is if it could even reach sixty. My dad drove in one when he was a kid, the throttle was on the stearing column and the foot pedal was the gear shift. The pedal when fully depressed was low, when you released the pedal that was high gear.

69er · 10-13-2008, 10:37 PM

I did a little research and read an extremely long thread on a Corvette forum about disabling the Skip-Shift, AKA CAGS, (Computer Aided Gear Selection). Use a CAGS eliminator or use a 2.2Kohm resistor in place of the solenoid, like CamaroSpike23 said.

It also sounds like you have to drive extremely conservatively to set off the CAGS.

MerlinZero · 10-13-2008, 11:45 PM

I dont think it was the Skip-Shift that was being talked about.

I believe the No Lift Shift was what was being talked about. Which i personally believe is AWESOME

Jamestwilliams · 10-13-2008, 11:52 PM

I know I mentioned the no lift shift as a possibilty in another thread (wishful thinking on my part) it's really most effective on forced induction vehicles like the Cobalt SS and Corvette ZR-1. I certainly at the time had no idea about the reality of the situation regarding no lift shift, and as of right now I am certain it is not available.

MajorTom · 10-14-2008, 12:05 AM

If this was in the thread with the LS3 or L99 poll it was me who mentioned it. And no I wasn't talking about no-lift-shift. Definitely skip shift.

My GTO had the Skip-Shift feature. It's only an annoyance around town. And yeah, a 30 dollar plug-in from aftermarket places and such will disable it.

Like someone else said, it only kicks in under light acceleration. I think it's supposed to be around 20 percent throttle. And after the engine has warmed up and all that. If you keep in mind that it's there, you'll remember to look out for it.

And believe it or not, it physically locks you out of 2nd and 3rd gears. You can only shift to fourth. I've never tried going higher since it only happens under light load.

To be honest, in a stick shift car with this much torque, you can get better fuel econ by being judicious about which gear you shift to. You don't have to go to second as evidenced by the presence of this feature. I typically go to 3rd so I have the torque to accelerate faster than in 4th.

Being made to shift to fourth sucks. But it's how the M6 cars are able to get good gas mileage ratings from the EPA. It's not a bad feature, it's just that it makes you do it that's annoying. If you're smart and concerned about fuel economy at all, as most guys who drive their camaros every day will be, you'll do something like this anyway.

Jamestwilliams · 10-14-2008, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajorTom

If this was in the thread with the LS3 or L99 poll it was me who mentioned it. And no I wasn't talking about no-lift-shift. Definitely skip shift.

My GTO had the Skip-Shift feature. It's only an annoyance around town. And yeah, a 30 dollar plug-in from aftermarket places and such will disable it.

Like someone else said, it only kicks in under light acceleration. I think it's supposed to be around 20 percent throttle. And after the engine has warmed up and all that. If you keep in mind that it's there, you'll remember to look out for it.

And believe it or not, it physically locks you out of 2nd and 3rd gears. You can only shift to fourth. I've never tried going higher since it only happens under light load.

To be honest, in a stick shift car with this much torque, you can get better fuel econ by being judicious about which gear you shift to. You don't have to go to second as evidenced by the presence of this feature. I typically go to 3rd so I have the torque to accelerate faster than in 4th.

Being made to shift to fourth sucks. But it's how the M6 cars are able to get good gas mileage ratings from the EPA. It's not a bad feature, it's just that it makes you do it that's annoying. If you're smart and concerned about fuel economy at all, as most guys who drive their camaros every day will be, you'll do something like this anyway.

camaro5 · 10-14-2008, 03:16 AM

Skip-shift eliminator kit from JEG's or Summit for $25. Provides connector plugs to seal unused connectors.

SilverTurtle · 10-14-2008, 07:20 AM

or contact a local tuner about getting the skip shift bypassed in the computer... I charge $50 to my local customers to eliminate skip shift, lower fan temps, do away with speed limiter and remove any codes that someone thinks they might have problems with during the life cycle of their car... and I'm told that most places do that same kind of tune for about $75-100.

Captain Awesome · 10-14-2008, 08:13 AM

The thing is that if it is physically possible to control the gear selection manually in such a way as to beat the guzzler tax, then why not just do the testing while operating the transmission in the most efficient manner?

To drive my point home, I'll ask why they don't have a throttle limiter feature on all cars to prevent people from making inefficient jackrabbit starts. Flooring the throttle all the time is inefficient and pollutes the air and they don't force all companies to put a restrictor on the throttle, so WHY do they put one on the Camaro's transmission?

rmyers · 10-14-2008, 08:17 AM

Its not that bad....I got used to it. Now if the conditions are right and the light appears I use it. No big deal.

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10-13-2008, 10:08 PM	#15
Jamestwilliams junior member Drives: Grand Am Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: canada Posts: 534	Really if you think about what skip shift is doing it's kind of like the old days the really old days when the model t only had a two speed transmission kinda fun. The first manual in a corvette only had three speeds. It's really just reducing the number of gears.

10-13-2008, 10:11 PM	#16
69er Drives: 69 Z/28 , 83 Z/28 (L69), 10 2SS CGM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alamogordo, New Mexico Posts: 281	Yeah, but it's a lot bigger RPM drop between 1-4.

10-13-2008, 10:37 PM	#20
69er Drives: 69 Z/28 , 83 Z/28 (L69), 10 2SS CGM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alamogordo, New Mexico Posts: 281	I did a little research and read an extremely long thread on a Corvette forum about disabling the Skip-Shift, AKA CAGS, (Computer Aided Gear Selection). Use a CAGS eliminator or use a 2.2Kohm resistor in place of the solenoid, like CamaroSpike23 said. It also sounds like you have to drive extremely conservatively to set off the CAGS.

10-13-2008, 11:45 PM	#21
MerlinZero Big Orange Drives: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 1,170 View My Garage	I dont think it was the Skip-Shift that was being talked about. I believe the No Lift Shift was what was being talked about. Which i personally believe is AWESOME

10-13-2008, 11:52 PM	#22
Jamestwilliams junior member Drives: Grand Am Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: canada Posts: 534	I know I mentioned the no lift shift as a possibilty in another thread (wishful thinking on my part) it's really most effective on forced induction vehicles like the Cobalt SS and Corvette ZR-1. I certainly at the time had no idea about the reality of the situation regarding no lift shift, and as of right now I am certain it is not available.

10-14-2008, 12:05 AM	#23
MajorTom Drives: 2005 Pontiac GTO Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 306	If this was in the thread with the LS3 or L99 poll it was me who mentioned it. And no I wasn't talking about no-lift-shift. Definitely skip shift. My GTO had the Skip-Shift feature. It's only an annoyance around town. And yeah, a 30 dollar plug-in from aftermarket places and such will disable it. Like someone else said, it only kicks in under light acceleration. I think it's supposed to be around 20 percent throttle. And after the engine has warmed up and all that. If you keep in mind that it's there, you'll remember to look out for it. And believe it or not, it physically locks you out of 2nd and 3rd gears. You can only shift to fourth. I've never tried going higher since it only happens under light load. To be honest, in a stick shift car with this much torque, you can get better fuel econ by being judicious about which gear you shift to. You don't have to go to second as evidenced by the presence of this feature. I typically go to 3rd so I have the torque to accelerate faster than in 4th. Being made to shift to fourth sucks. But it's how the M6 cars are able to get good gas mileage ratings from the EPA. It's not a bad feature, it's just that it makes you do it that's annoying. If you're smart and concerned about fuel economy at all, as most guys who drive their camaros every day will be, you'll do something like this anyway.

10-14-2008, 08:13 AM	#27
Captain Awesome Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 3,746	The thing is that if it is physically possible to control the gear selection manually in such a way as to beat the guzzler tax, then why not just do the testing while operating the transmission in the most efficient manner? To drive my point home, I'll ask why they don't have a throttle limiter feature on all cars to prevent people from making inefficient jackrabbit starts. Flooring the throttle all the time is inefficient and pollutes the air and they don't force all companies to put a restrictor on the throttle, so WHY do they put one on the Camaro's transmission?

10-14-2008, 08:17 AM	#28
rmyers Drives: Both American Made Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 781	Its not that bad....I got used to it. Now if the conditions are right and the light appears I use it. No big deal.