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derek1387 · 08-27-2017, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD

mine is an APR rip off i got off of ebay. its not bad for the money.
i could tell the difference immediately. it showed on the lap timer at a track where i run entire sessions worth of laps within tenths of each other. the wing and a homemade under tray made over 3 seconds of difference.

Any link/info on said wing/undertray mod?

olblue75 · 08-28-2017, 09:32 PM

Here's a cheap wing

http://www.ebay.com/itm/57-TYPE-3-Bl...NYlUQc&vxp=mtr

derek1387 · 08-28-2017, 09:33 PM

Wow. That's cheap. And cheap looking.

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JOHNSONROD · 08-29-2017, 06:30 AM

this is the one i got. i modified the brackets to lay it back some.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAL-CARBON-...FYt6OP&vxp=mtr

wakespeak · 08-29-2017, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD

this is the one i got. i modified the brackets to lay it back some.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAL-CARBON-...FYt6OP&vxp=mtr

Thanks. What front splitter are you using and do you think it is effective?

JOHNSONROD · 08-29-2017, 12:20 PM

ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.

derek1387 · 08-29-2017, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD

ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.

That is quite possibly the funniest thing I've heard in a very long time. Best mental image ever

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Wasted Youth · 08-29-2017, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD

ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.

JOOC, what makes you think spoilers create a lot of drag, and wings create little drag?

1Coopgt · 08-29-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasted Youth

JOOC, what makes you think spoilers create a lot of drag, and wings create little drag?

A little reading . https://oppositelock.kinja.com/wings...ong-1665312667

Wasted Youth · 08-29-2017, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Coopgt

A little reading . https://oppositelock.kinja.com/wings...ong-1665312667

Quotes from the link you apparently didn't read:

"...a properly-designed spoiler can improve the drag coefficient of the vehicle even though it looks like a wall. That reduces drag and improves efficiency."

"Wings are airfoils designed to directly deflect air upwards and thus push the rear of the vehicle down. They generally add quite a bit of drag."

"Spoilers are barricades to undesirable flows, and thus are able to reshape airflow streams around the vehicle. This can help keep the rear of the vehicle down and decrease drag by changing the effective vehicle shape."

Basic stuff... And why I asked... Stating that spoilers create a lot of drag, and wings don't, couldn't be further from the truth...

JOHNSONROD · 08-30-2017, 06:36 AM

i wasnt trying to start a debate. i believe what i believe based on my own experience. i do all my own work and i track a lot.
i had a small spoiler on and i thought it helped. i made a bigger spoiler and i was pretty sure it helped. i pulled the big spoiler, put in the wing and added an undertray. the difference was immediate. the car was not only 3 seconds a lap faster, it picked up 4 MPH on the front straight. this is at my home track where i literally have thousands of laps and run very consistent times.
a real foil (wing) shape makes lift or downforce, depending on how its mounted, because of its shape. its what the wright brothers figured out back in the day. the air makes a longer trip around one side of the foil than it does the other. this creates the lift without adding a lot of drag. thats the way its supposed to work.
a big spoiler will add downforce and it will help the car over the couple of MPH it cost on the straights.
this is my opinion. i dont work on rockets, i just drive cars on race tracks every day.

olblue75 · 08-30-2017, 07:41 AM

Let's see the under tray please.

JOHNSONROD · 08-30-2017, 07:50 AM

ill have to take a pic of it. i had a pic posted somewhere but i dont remember where. i think the old pic was the first one i made out of a dog kennel liner. the newer one is made from a sheet of ABS. im doing lead car duties all day but ill look for it while they are in class. ill probably have to take a pic though.

derek1387 · 08-30-2017, 08:49 AM

I would definitely be interested in some information on that as well

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08-28-2017, 09:32 PM	#16
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	Here's a cheap wing http://www.ebay.com/itm/57-TYPE-3-Bl...NYlUQc&vxp=mtr __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

08-28-2017, 09:33 PM	#17
derek1387 Drives: 2015 1LS Red V6 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: St Joseph, MO Posts: 1,849	Wow. That's cheap. And cheap looking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Sponsors: Overkill Motorsport BCS Auto JacFab Machining APDEG Dream Gear Mobile Audio Thanks to Will @ Overkill Motorsports, Jason @ JacFab, Jim @ Ohio Speed, Brandon at Dream Gear, and the boys at Randy Curnow Chevrolet 5th Gen V6 Performance Facebook Group

08-29-2017, 06:30 AM	#18
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	this is the one i got. i modified the brackets to lay it back some. http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAL-CARBON-...FYt6OP&vxp=mtr Attached Images

08-30-2017, 07:41 AM	#26
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	Let's see the under tray please. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

08-30-2017, 08:49 AM	#28
derek1387 Drives: 2015 1LS Red V6 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: St Joseph, MO Posts: 1,849	I would definitely be interested in some information on that as well Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Sponsors: Overkill Motorsport BCS Auto JacFab Machining APDEG Dream Gear Mobile Audio Thanks to Will @ Overkill Motorsports, Jason @ JacFab, Jim @ Ohio Speed, Brandon at Dream Gear, and the boys at Randy Curnow Chevrolet 5th Gen V6 Performance Facebook Group

08-29-2017, 12:20 PM	#20
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.

08-30-2017, 06:36 AM	#25
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	i wasnt trying to start a debate. i believe what i believe based on my own experience. i do all my own work and i track a lot. i had a small spoiler on and i thought it helped. i made a bigger spoiler and i was pretty sure it helped. i pulled the big spoiler, put in the wing and added an undertray. the difference was immediate. the car was not only 3 seconds a lap faster, it picked up 4 MPH on the front straight. this is at my home track where i literally have thousands of laps and run very consistent times. a real foil (wing) shape makes lift or downforce, depending on how its mounted, because of its shape. its what the wright brothers figured out back in the day. the air makes a longer trip around one side of the foil than it does the other. this creates the lift without adding a lot of drag. thats the way its supposed to work. a big spoiler will add downforce and it will help the car over the couple of MPH it cost on the straights. this is my opinion. i dont work on rockets, i just drive cars on race tracks every day.

08-30-2017, 07:50 AM	#27
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	ill have to take a pic of it. i had a pic posted somewhere but i dont remember where. i think the old pic was the first one i made out of a dog kennel liner. the newer one is made from a sheet of ABS. im doing lead car duties all day but ill look for it while they are in class. ill probably have to take a pic though.