Electrician fired over leaked photos..

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by 2KZ28_For_Now

They already did.

I do not agree that the photos posted were worth trashing the career of a faithful 20+ year veteran of the company.

Regardless of circumstance.

yes, the policies are written in stone.

But, they should require a "human" to review the details.

Unfortunately, lawyers do not meet the minimum system requirements to be considered "human."

That sucks.

lets be real He knew the rules. HE broke them. That in turn means that he deserved to get fired or "let go." Make people accountable for their own actions.

[Cleric]

It was the right move to fire him. The rules were known and this guy knowingly violated the rules. It would be unfair to all the other people who get in trouble for this guy not to be fired.


Now i liked seeing the pictures but wish they were authorized for release.

[camaro10]

Rules are Rules! We'll see it soon enough!

[camaro10]

I guess he really did see this....

[edbrick]

Originally Posted by Had2F's

(Insert your favorite lawyer joke here)

The only problem with "review the details" and considering an exception based on circumstance X, Y, or Z, is that, in short order, they would have a rule with so many exceptions to the rule, that it becomes a major hassle to deal with on daily basis - at best - and worthless most of the time.

And.....you have to have a lawyer review any decision you make, so you don't overlook any of the exceptions......

Here is my lawer joke. Most politicians are lawers and what are both professions known for?

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by 2KZ28_For_Now

They already did.

I do not agree that the photos posted were worth trashing the career of a faithful 20+ year veteran of the company.

Regardless of circumstance.

yes, the policies are written in stone.

But, they should require a "human" to review the details.

Unfortunately, lawyers do not meet the minimum system requirements to be considered "human."

That sucks.

That was good and reminds me of a joke about lawyers...hehehe

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

lets be real He knew the rules. HE broke them. That in turn means that he deserved to get fired or "let go." Make people accountable for their own actions.

Yes and no. Like what was said above, you need a 'human' side to all things. If it was the case that all people were held accoutable to all of their actions 100% of the time w/out any human side playing a role in things.....well....you could probably be written (depending on how far you are going) at least one to ten tickets on the way to work/school.

Seriously, it takes that human interdiction to play a pretty good role in life. Rules are rules. But, we, as officers, are allowed the discression to write tickets and make traffic stops or not. I could write 30 a day w/ all the traffic infractions I see....hell....probably more! But, most of those traffic infractions don't put peoples lives in jeapordy and don't cause traffic problems, etc. Ok...I'm going a bit off here. But, hopefully you get my point. Not always is it necessary to write a ticket (fire someone) to get a point across.

28 years of being a faithful employee of GM. 28 years.... and to be so excited about something that you took pix to show your son....your own family. I understand where GM is coming from. But, they better at least take care of the guy. Something.... I know.... But that IMO is a little over the top.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

lets be real He knew the rules. HE broke them. That in turn means that he deserved to get fired or "let go." Make people accountable for their own actions.

Agreed, as much as I may feel for someone who has been that faithful to one company....being apart of that organization for such a time he was fully aware of his actions and the commitment GM has put into this vehicle's return and its success.

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Yes and no. Like what was said above, you need a 'human' side to all things. If it was the case that all people were held accoutable to all of their actions 100% of the time w/out any human side playing a role in things.....well....you could probably be written (depending on how far you are going) at least one to ten tickets on the way to work/school.

Seriously, it takes that human interdiction to play a pretty good role in life. Rules are rules. But, we, as officers, are allowed the discression to write tickets and make traffic stops or not. I could write 30 a day w/ all the traffic infractions I see....hell....probably more! But, most of those traffic infractions don't put peoples lives in jeapordy and don't cause traffic problems, etc. Ok...I'm going a bit off here. But, hopefully you get my point. Not always is it necessary to write a ticket (fire someone) to get a point across.

ehhh from one L.E.O. to another, I have to respectfully agree and disagree.

You and I are well aware of the letter of the law and spirit of the law. Sure I see 30 violations daily, as do you, and maybe cite 4 or 5 depending on how blatant the violation is... Same applies to spirit of the law...I know officers who will arrest a man for spanking their child if there are marks on their "rear end"...I have no problem with a child being "spanked" as long as it isnt displayed above the belt or on the face/groin.

I have absolutely no problem with this individual taking pictures for his kids, but he is responsible if they are released. I don't believe he is being punished for the ACTION of taking a picture, but the responsibility he had to GM that no outside organization or person saw those pictures. We know that chances are if he took pictures and they were NEVER released, he may still be working there. Due to the fact that they WERE released, and the amount of time and finacial expectation GM has into this vehicle. Well, I cant blame them...if this was the COBALT or Chevy Volt chances are he may still have his job as well. To sum it up...If you ask me..that is the 'human' evaluation of the totality of the situation and circumstances. Can we not agree GM has put heart and soul into this vehicle?

[Jay]

GM did wrong by firing an employee of 28 years to the company..... there are rule books and then people enforcing the rule books.... the 'people' should have considered this part.

Its something to set an example so things don't happen again.... but you shouldn't fire an employee of 28 years... maybe suspend him for 4 months... thats pretty severe as it is.

Im in HR... we deal with issues like this.... setting an example of someone with severity can be done without firing someone.

you start to get quotes like these on automotive news sites when you make such mistakes as GM imo has..

"A lesser discipline would have been more important, especially given this employee's seniority. As a company, GM sucks but we already knew that." ...

I thought GM was trying to work away from that image.... the importance of proper decision making when in comes to your human resources is really important. GM fu**ed up.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Jay

you start to get quotes like these on automotive news sites when you make such mistakes as GM imo has..

"A lesser discipline would have been more important, especially given this employee's seniority. As a company, GM sucks but we already knew that." ...

Ignoring rules, and ignoring the papers you signed has reprocussions. We don't know what "secrets" may or may not have been revealed. And given that this was a BRAND NEW flex plant, God knows GM doesn't want another fool doing this somewhere else...

I don't like that he was fired; yeah it sucks...but he knew the rules. It wasn't like there was some confusion in the matter. And if there was, then he defintely shouldn't have taken them if he wasn't sure what might happen. Love the pictures But it was s stupid move on his part. He flushed 28 years down the toilet with his Camera.

I don't see how this reflects on GM being a bad company, though......seriously, where'd that come from? If anything it shows they're a just company - obeying their own rules and regs, and not making special exceptions based on what they person took pictures of.(How is that fair?) Besides, where is it any different? You violate a rule, you get the stick...just so happens this stick was pretty big, and like I said -- he knew that! In an Industry as competitive as this one, you have to have zero tolerance for stuff like this. And a man of 28 years with the company knew that!!


EDIT: Reread that...it sounds a bit harsh...I really do think it sucks that he was fired over this.

[chadrcr]

He should not have taken/lost the pictures. That much is clear, now...

Do we know if he knew that he would be fired. It seems a little draconian given the content of the pix. It is not like he showed us the LS3 under the hood.... Some kind of suspension/ early retirement or something would suffice.

[stovt001]

Slightly off topic, but I just wanted to comment how nice it is to see such a high class, high quality debate here. Honestly, such moderation, courtesy, and thoughtfulness is very rare on the internet (see LLN comment boards) and further demonstrates what makes this site so great. I think both sides are making great points, and I am weighing both opinions. Thanks for the thought provoking ideas.

[camaro5]

I liked those pictures. They are one of many things here on Camaro5 that have helped me wait for the Camaro instead of buying a 2009 Corvette or G8 GT or Infiniti G37 or BMW 335i.

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Slightly off topic, but I just wanted to comment how nice it is to see such a high class, high quality debate here. Honestly, such moderation, courtesy, and thoughtfulness is very rare on the internet (see LLN comment boards) and further demonstrates what makes this site so great. I think both sides are making great points, and I am weighing both opinions. Thanks for the though provoking ideas.

^
I am glad you think both sides make great points... I am on both sides.
You have to obey the rules, sometimes the repercussions are harsh.....
maybe too harsh, but how clearly was stated in the rules that "you WILL be fired for taking pictures" (small print) or blatantly obvious?

I am just asking, I used to work for a supplier, and went to the nissan plant in Tennessee, I saw cars going down the assembly line, did not pay any attention to 'disclosure rules' if there were any back then. Of course I was not risking a 28 year career, and they had nothing interesting like the Camaro.