1ZL1 or 2ZL1? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

GoldenBear · 08-24-2011, 10:55 AM

Since there has not been a plethora of news regarding the ZL1 recently, my mind has been free to drift to various Camaro thoughts.

One thing that I have noticed is that many people refer to their 5th Gen Camaros as 1LTs or 2LTs, or 1SSs or 2SSs, instead of just referring to them as simply LTs or SSs, in addition to notating the RS designation, where appropriate.

With the 1st Gen Camaros, one generally referred to them as simply RSs, SSs or Z28s, or RS/SSs or RS/Z28s, if appropriate, and sometimes the engine designation was used, such as L35, L34, or L78, especially with regard to the 396s, where multiple configurations of the 396 engine were available, but rarely did one refer to a 1st Gen Camaro with regard to its interior trim designation, such a Z23/SS or a Z87/Z28.

So my question is why do people tend to use the 1 and 2 trim level designation when referring to 5th Gen Camaros with regard to the LTs and SSs?

And since that seems to be the pattern with the 5th Gens, will people use the similar 1 and 2 designation with the ZL1, if 1 and 2 interior trim levels are available on the ZL1?

*The_Blur* · 08-24-2011, 11:06 AM

The difference lies in the equipment. It used to be a Camaro SS with leather. Now, it's a 2SS Camaro. Adding the "2" makes the whole name simpler by explaining the equipment.

I expect the ZL1 to have 2 or 3 trim levels.

GoldenBear · 08-24-2011, 11:27 AM

I understand that the 1 versus 2 prefix difference is in the interior equipment/trim.

My question really is why with the 5th Gen Camaros does there appear to be a change in nomenclature, which now specifies the interior trim level when referring to the model, when that similar convention doesn't appear to be the case with the earlier models?

In other words, with the 5th Gen Camaros, individuals do seem to use the interior equipment designation when referring to their vehicle model, whereas that wasn't, and isn't, the standard practice with regard to the earlier model Camaros?

People didn't, and don't, refer to their 1st Gen Camaros as Z23/SSs or Z87/Z28s.

*The_Blur* · 08-24-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I understand that the 1 versus 2 prefix difference is in the interior equipment/trim.

My question really is why with the 5th Gen Camaros does there appear to be a change in nomenclature, which now specifies the interior trim level when referring to the model, when that similar convention doesn't appear to be the case with the earlier models?

In other words, with the 5th Gen Camaros, individuals do seem to use the interior equipment designation when referring to their vehicle model, whereas that wasn't, and isn't, the standard practice with regard to the earlier model Camaros?

People didn't, and don't, refer to their 1st Gen Camaros as Z23/SSs or Z87/Z28s.

I think salespeople have gotten dumber over the years, and this is the only way to explain that equipment to them across the lineup.

It has less to do with the Camaro than it has to do with the whole Chevy lineup.

OldScoolCamaro · 08-24-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

One thing that I have noticed is that many people refer to their 5th Gen Camaros as 1LTs or 2LTs, or 1SSs or 2SSs, instead of just referring to them as simply LTs or SSs, in addition to notating the RS designation, where appropriate.

With the 1st Gen Camaros, one generally referred to them as simply RSs, SSs or Z28s, or RS/SSs or RS/Z28s,..

....good obseravtion Bear.

From my feeble memory back in the day Camaro's were advertised as you mentioned. SS, RS, Z/28, LT...etc...The options were 'a plenty. Everything was ala carte. Almost everything was available seperately, not all bundled up in huge packages like today with a number suffix. Because of the bundling of option packages we have, the limited single options as opposed to yesteryear, and the way the cars are advertised as such with an option level number, I figure this is the way they will be and always will be referred to by most from here on out. Way back then I never recall ever hearing someone say they had "this or that" RPO next to the Camaro model. An LT was an LT, not a Z22.

Pollock · 08-24-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

I think salespeople have gotten dumber over the years, and this is the only way to explain that equipment to them across the lineup.

It has less to do with the Camaro than it has to do with the whole Chevy lineup.

I agree. I always know more about the car I am buying then the guy selling it.

closs2sx · 08-24-2011, 12:18 PM

so true Pollock I went in to look at the new Passat yesterday (currently have a jet tdi as my wifes daily driver as they didn't have the Passat tdi when i bought the jetta) and the sales person was so set on selling me the car all they wanted to do was get me in to talk #'s then when we went in the sales manager says you cant buy the car until september 30th (thats when vw releases the cars to retail they are for display only now) and worse they asked me how to spell passat when filling out the info sheet.

SuperCarEnthusiast · 08-24-2011, 10:14 PM

I expect the dealerships to add in a lot of stuff to the sticker price to boost their mark up during the first year. I going to wait till the hype dies down and buy then maybe in 2013 or later. Whatever is wrong with it in 2012 will be fixed in 2013 and more options will also come into play to keep the ZL1 saleable.

*radz28* · 08-25-2011, 09:22 AM

All I know is I will have either a ZL1 or SS. There won't be an LSAMG92RSZL1 in my garage, lol!

pensphan87 · 08-25-2011, 09:42 AM

I think it is textspeak or twitter-twattol invading our language.
GM could have made this much simple AKA "LT=base V6 RS=Loaded V6
SS=base V8 and Z28=loaded V8" but someone somewhere told
them to appeal to a young demographic so now we got this cluster f
To deal with sorry oldschool camaro owners

2cnd chance · 08-25-2011, 03:34 PM

I'd say it's because that is the way Chevy lables them.
That being said to me it's an SS or LT.

hv92 · 08-25-2011, 04:06 PM

I think it will be just labeled as ZL1, with the option of having the suede inserts in the seats. In other words, you just click on camaro zl1 on the chevy website (when it arrives on there) and a whole checklist shows up of the options you want. Thats what I think will occur.

GoldenBear · 08-25-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by radz28

All I know is I will have either a ZL1 or SS. There won't be an LSAMG92RSZL1 in my garage, lol!

SS? I thought you were sold on the ZL1. Has your thinking changed regarding the ZL1?

I think that a 3.73 ratio on ZL1 would qualify as a G92 performance axle ratio.

*radz28* · 08-25-2011, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

SS? I thought you were sold on the ZL1. Has your thinking changed regarding the ZL1?

I think that a 3.73 ratio on ZL1 would qualify as a G92 performance axle ratio.

No if I have anything to do with it. What I want and what I can get are two different things and I'm just keeping an open mind

08-24-2011, 10:55 AM	#1
GoldenBear Bear Backer Drives: 69 Camaro Z/28, 69 Corvette Conv Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,490	1ZL1 or 2ZL1? Since there has not been a plethora of news regarding the ZL1 recently, my mind has been free to drift to various Camaro thoughts. One thing that I have noticed is that many people refer to their 5th Gen Camaros as 1LTs or 2LTs, or 1SSs or 2SSs, instead of just referring to them as simply LTs or SSs, in addition to notating the RS designation, where appropriate. With the 1st Gen Camaros, one generally referred to them as simply RSs, SSs or Z28s, or RS/SSs or RS/Z28s, if appropriate, and sometimes the engine designation was used, such as L35, L34, or L78, especially with regard to the 396s, where multiple configurations of the 396 engine were available, but rarely did one refer to a 1st Gen Camaro with regard to its interior trim designation, such a Z23/SS or a Z87/Z28. So my question is why do people tend to use the 1 and 2 trim level designation when referring to 5th Gen Camaros with regard to the LTs and SSs? And since that seems to be the pattern with the 5th Gens, will people use the similar 1 and 2 designation with the ZL1, if 1 and 2 interior trim levels are available on the ZL1? __________________ Current Chevrolets: 1969 Camaro Z/28 -- 1969 427/390 Corvette Convertible -- 1970 350/300 Corvette Convertible -- 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible -- CRT / Exposed CF Weave Hood Insert / Suede Package / Polished Wheels / MN6

08-24-2011, 11:06 AM	#2
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08-24-2011, 11:27 AM	#3
GoldenBear Bear Backer Drives: 69 Camaro Z/28, 69 Corvette Conv Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,490	I understand that the 1 versus 2 prefix difference is in the interior equipment/trim. My question really is why with the 5th Gen Camaros does there appear to be a change in nomenclature, which now specifies the interior trim level when referring to the model, when that similar convention doesn't appear to be the case with the earlier models? In other words, with the 5th Gen Camaros, individuals do seem to use the interior equipment designation when referring to their vehicle model, whereas that wasn't, and isn't, the standard practice with regard to the earlier model Camaros? People didn't, and don't, refer to their 1st Gen Camaros as Z23/SSs or Z87/Z28s. __________________ Current Chevrolets: 1969 Camaro Z/28 -- 1969 427/390 Corvette Convertible -- 1970 350/300 Corvette Convertible -- 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible -- CRT / Exposed CF Weave Hood Insert / Suede Package / Polished Wheels / MN6

08-25-2011, 09:22 AM	#9
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,188 View My Garage	All I know is I will have either a ZL1 or SS. There won't be an LSAMG92RSZL1 in my garage, lol! __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

08-25-2011, 04:06 PM	#12
hv92 Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: CA Posts: 547	I think it will be just labeled as ZL1, with the option of having the suede inserts in the seats. In other words, you just click on camaro zl1 on the chevy website (when it arrives on there) and a whole checklist shows up of the options you want. Thats what I think will occur. __________________ My name is Jake Huntsey. New YORK NEW YORK!

08-24-2011, 12:18 PM	#7
closs2sx Drives: 1970 chevelle Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Central NH Posts: 1,427	so true Pollock I went in to look at the new Passat yesterday (currently have a jet tdi as my wifes daily driver as they didn't have the Passat tdi when i bought the jetta) and the sales person was so set on selling me the car all they wanted to do was get me in to talk #'s then when we went in the sales manager says you cant buy the car until september 30th (thats when vw releases the cars to retail they are for display only now) and worse they asked me how to spell passat when filling out the info sheet.

08-24-2011, 10:14 PM	#8
SuperCarEnthusiast Drives: N/A Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: N/A Posts: 105	I expect the dealerships to add in a lot of stuff to the sticker price to boost their mark up during the first year. I going to wait till the hype dies down and buy then maybe in 2013 or later. Whatever is wrong with it in 2012 will be fixed in 2013 and more options will also come into play to keep the ZL1 saleable.

08-25-2011, 09:42 AM	#10
pensphan87 Drives: 2012 IBM 2SS/RS Convertible Bliss Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Beaver County, Pa. Posts: 455	I think it is textspeak or twitter-twattol invading our language. GM could have made this much simple AKA "LT=base V6 RS=Loaded V6 SS=base V8 and Z28=loaded V8" but someone somewhere told them to appeal to a young demographic so now we got this cluster f To deal with sorry oldschool camaro owners

08-25-2011, 03:34 PM	#11
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	I'd say it's because that is the way Chevy lables them. That being said to me it's an SS or LT.