03-03-2011, 12:45 PM | #15 | |
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FWIW, your statement about shipping out rolls of 200 is bull shit. They've never sent an order of that quantity at one time of any injector to any shop. Ever. Yes, they didn't have copy/paste data available for that specific application. The raw data still existed though. All they do is refit the raw data to the various table labels... Which anyone who is half-ass math inclined can do themselves with ease. You are saying their product is bad when you say it's just a simple modification and they charge too much. The fact is... nobody produces a product that even comes close in quality. Saying you won't return them because you have seven hours invested is bull shit... especially considering you said you liked them. Let's just call a spade a spade here. |
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03-03-2011, 09:35 PM | #16 | |
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There is no such thing as a modification that help control at low PW. The data is what enables you to control the injector. Ive tried to dismantle the injector and it is impossible. The only way to modify the injector is the way ID and others do. Simply by cutting the spray disk off the end of it. The injector is batched and sent in rolls to a company named T1. You must buy the ID's from T1 (ID's only true distributor). There they are boxed and shipped. I never said the product was bad. I said it was advertised as having data when infact they did not. If you have a Motec you are golden or if you have an application where someone developed the data already. I have to meet a deadline with a customers vehicle and tuning another set of injectors would add another two days to the build. Do I need to modify a stock injector and test it next to a ID850 to prove you wrong? I could do the same to the ID1000 and ID2000. Do you understand what that will do to the future of ID? Not many have challenged ID and to date that I know of no one has put the proof to paper. Ive been known to be the one calling bullshit but I am not exactly interested in picking it up so you can smell it. |
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03-04-2011, 07:26 AM | #17 | |
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I'm well aware of what T1 is. T1 coupled with Yaw Power make up Injector Dynamics. That doesn't make T1 the one true distributor. Yaw is the production facility, T1 is the sales/distribution facility. I'm well aware of how it is all set up. All you had to do for the data was post an Excel file for Paul and he would have had it in a matter of minutes for you. Instead, you chose to beat around the bush complain about how you've been waiting and waiting, yet haven't received anything. You just wanted a reason to complain. Do it. Modify a stock LS3 injector and compare it to an ID850. When I say compare, I mean get the actual characterization data developed. It's just hype according to you, so it shouldn't be hard to get. I bet you could do it in your mom's basement! You're already on the war path to plant seeds of doubt. Why not put your back into it instead of just ranting with a keyboard? Last edited by DSX; 03-04-2011 at 08:05 AM. Reason: Typos. iPhone fail |
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03-04-2011, 12:35 PM | #19 | |
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You mad? |
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03-04-2011, 03:03 PM | #20 |
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Nah, not mad at all. I have no financial stake in ID whatsoever. What work is that? Using other people's work and time to sell your replica? Sounds like that'd be your game plan.
The fact is, Paul offered to get you the data. You didn't do anything to help him give it to you. You just want to complain. |
03-04-2011, 03:39 PM | #21 | |
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What does everything think and ID injector is, unmodified lol... If you do not believe me call, ALL of the large injector dealers in the country, it is not worth a huge argument. Here is my two sense - We prefer to use a LS9 modified injector (not just the tip is resized, like other national vendors such as magnacharger, vortech ect) because this injector offers the best spray pattern into the LS3 intake manifold available. The LS9 injector has a 6 hole tip ( LS3/LS7 have 4 hole tips and ID and others whom offer the same/similar injector have a single tip), the larger array of holes allows the injector to have better angular distribution the fuel spray. This is much more benefical in this particular situation because of the LS3's splayed intake manifold design where the injector is located, and the fact that the injector sits at a 30 degree angle. Using this particular injector cone allows the fuel to point in a better downward direction into the intake port and produces better spraty dorplet size to pass into the combustion chamber more efficently. For example a single tip injector such as example ID, or one of three other companies who sell the SAME injector for much less, does not work quite as well as the stream and droplet size is much to direct (picture a garden hose hitting a wall) into the angle that the injector sits in this manifold. This causes debris to build up around the injector tip as well as slighlty worse fuel distribution. |
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03-04-2011, 04:10 PM | #22 | |
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I'll bug you some time while I'm at work. That's when I'm not that busy. New baby... Yikes. |
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Will you give us some numbers to quantify the difference between the two products? Paul Yaw |
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