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OldScoolCamaro · 03-30-2013, 09:30 PM

OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...

CamaroTom · 03-30-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...

No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.

Bhobbs · 03-30-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...

Amen brother. This car is an absolute beast. I have driven cars without a radio or A/C for years and didn't bug me at all. Who needs a radio when you have an LS7 with dual mode exhaust to listen to?

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Originally Posted by 1LEMayhem

No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.

How many people but ZL1s compared to other Camaros? Should that stop GM from building them?

OldScoolCamaro · 03-30-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1LEMayhem

No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.

.....hmmm, not sure. A totally redesigned car in it's front and tail. Carbon ceramic brakes, DSSV dampers, helical cut gears in new rear axle configuration....hood heat diffuser, aero package side, nose, and tail. Recaro seats, Tremec 6060 tranny, 3.91 final drive gear, A/C delete, 300 pounds lighter than a ZL1....one speaker, wiring delete.....that's for starters....oh, 19" square dedicated rims with Pirelli performance rubber....and I didn't mention an LS7 with a trick cold airbox...., yes, not one for masses consumption price wise, but one for masses adulation performance wise whether or not we can afford it.

CamaroTom · 03-30-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Amen brother. This car is an absolute beast. I have driven cars without a radio or A/C for years and didn't bug me at all. Who needs a radio when you have an LS7 with dual mode exhaust to listen to?

How many people but ZL1s compared to other Camaros? Should that stop GM from building them?

Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.

Ayuir · 03-30-2013, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Only the 1Gen was a Z/28. The others 2Gen - 4Gen were Z28. The 1Gen was built to race first and be sold for the street second. Therefore the 2014 Z/28 is back to its original design. Most cars with this type content would have an R after the name. The Z/28 doesn't need that.

My memory my be really rusty here, but I thought the original Z/28 meant the upgraded '67 roadable racer. Later, Z28 was an option code for the similar package.

Feel free to correct me if MY gray is showing through.

Ron66Vette&10SS · 03-31-2013, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 1LEMayhem

Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.

I said pretty much the same thing on another thread.

Doc · 03-31-2013, 01:49 AM

For those of you who think this car is designed for the casual weekend racer who goes to track events 3 or 4 times a year you couldn't be more wrong. This car isn't just a weekend track car for the HPDE driver. This car is going to win races. It's the basis for a killer race car that's going to shake up the semi-pro/pro racing world. I expect to see this car winning it's class in long events like Le Mans, Daytona, etc.

The original Z/28 was built in enough quantities to qualify it as a "street" car so it could compete in the Trans Am series, but it was never intended to be just a street car. It was built to win races and this new one is following that rationale. I fully expect this new generation car to carry on the hallowed name and tradition of the Z/28 with full pride and honors.

Bhobbs · 03-31-2013, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 1LEMayhem

Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.

Who says it's a track only car? I don't believe in garage queens or safe queens when it comes to my firearms. If I could swing a Z/28, I would drive it. No radio doesn't bother me at all.

fast34me · 03-31-2013, 03:14 AM

GM should open the order process and let you choose which f'n engine you want in any Camaro. An LS3 485, An ASA, An LS7, or an LS9....

Pwr windows, radio, AC, Sunroof, My link, you want em, you got em.....

It's all about the mighty dollar. Too bad they didn't spend the money on engineering a reliable transmission to go in their 40K SS/RS burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me....

camaroRND2 · 03-31-2013, 03:22 AM

I race my 450rwhp SS with stock 6sp tranny every weekend and drive it to work during the week. 30k miles and about 30 timeslips and tranny is still kickin. Some people have bad luck and others don't. Sell me your LS3 and go buy a LS7 to throw in you car. I got am S-10 looking for a heart transplant.

Bad@ssCamaro · 03-31-2013, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1LEMayhem

No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.

Compare that price to some of the Supercars, and how do you think it missed the price point? I'm sure we'll see some info over the Summer how competitive the Z/28 will be compared to those we are familiar with overseas.

and 99.9%? - c'mon, exaggerate a little?

KSCamaro · 03-31-2013, 06:59 AM

If they just wanted to produce a track novelty car, I wish they would have used the "Hot Wheels" version instead of turning it into something it hasn't been in previous generations. There's always the C7 to look at, that team did a great job.

Reefblue42 · 03-31-2013, 07:59 AM

I don't think so. There will be those that'll be disappointed. I respect that alot...but like Scott was saying and what I've read echoed here is that its gone back to its roots, back to those who've really loved the Z/28 for what it was and hated where it went throughout the years.

I think with all the versions of Camaro you can get now...its nice to see a model come out directed to the enthusiasts, I mean really directed it seems. You just don't see that anymore unless you look at Porsche (911 GT3), BMW (M3 GTS), or Mercedes (AMG Black Series). There are others that don't come to mind at the moment...

They made the COPO...can't register it or drive it other than a qtr mile at a time. Now this...a Camaro set up to do the deed 3 seconds quicker (I still can't believe it).

You know I watch the video of the ZL1 ripping up the Nurburgring and have to say....this Z/28 will do it approx. 3 seconds quicker than that?? Don't get me wrong, I believe it can with the enhancements mentioned. Lower weight, better brakes, body enhancements...just amazing--can't wait to see the videos. Popcorn awaits!!!

03-30-2013, 09:30 PM	#379
OldScoolCamaro Drives: Camaro's, always have, always will. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Home of the brave Posts: 4,851	OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak... __________________ In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.

03-31-2013, 01:49 AM	#386
Doc Dances With Mustangs Drives: 2010 1SS/RS MT Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 3,819 View My Garage	For those of you who think this car is designed for the casual weekend racer who goes to track events 3 or 4 times a year you couldn't be more wrong. This car isn't just a weekend track car for the HPDE driver. This car is going to win races. It's the basis for a killer race car that's going to shake up the semi-pro/pro racing world. I expect to see this car winning it's class in long events like Le Mans, Daytona, etc. The original Z/28 was built in enough quantities to qualify it as a "street" car so it could compete in the Trans Am series, but it was never intended to be just a street car. It was built to win races and this new one is following that rationale. I fully expect this new generation car to carry on the hallowed name and tradition of the Z/28 with full pride and honors. __________________ Blue Angel is here!! 1SS/RS LS3 M6 IBM

03-31-2013, 03:22 AM	#389
camaroRND2 Drives: IBM 2SS/RS 6sp. Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Valdosta Ga Posts: 541 View My Garage	I race my 450rwhp SS with stock 6sp tranny every weekend and drive it to work during the week. 30k miles and about 30 timeslips and tranny is still kickin. Some people have bad luck and others don't. Sell me your LS3 and go buy a LS7 to throw in you car. I got am S-10 looking for a heart transplant. __________________ Build Thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206489

03-31-2013, 03:14 AM	#388
fast34me Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Race City U.S.A Posts: 90	GM should open the order process and let you choose which f'n engine you want in any Camaro. An LS3 485, An ASA, An LS7, or an LS9.... Pwr windows, radio, AC, Sunroof, My link, you want em, you got em..... It's all about the mighty dollar. Too bad they didn't spend the money on engineering a reliable transmission to go in their 40K SS/RS burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me....

03-31-2013, 06:59 AM	#391
KSCamaro Drives: Still Looking Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Abingdon, VA Posts: 121	If they just wanted to produce a track novelty car, I wish they would have used the "Hot Wheels" version instead of turning it into something it hasn't been in previous generations. There's always the C7 to look at, that team did a great job.

03-31-2013, 07:59 AM	#392
Reefblue42 Drives: '20 ZL1/'97 SS LT4 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lansing MI Posts: 59	I don't think so. There will be those that'll be disappointed. I respect that alot...but like Scott was saying and what I've read echoed here is that its gone back to its roots, back to those who've really loved the Z/28 for what it was and hated where it went throughout the years. I think with all the versions of Camaro you can get now...its nice to see a model come out directed to the enthusiasts, I mean really directed it seems. You just don't see that anymore unless you look at Porsche (911 GT3), BMW (M3 GTS), or Mercedes (AMG Black Series). There are others that don't come to mind at the moment... They made the COPO...can't register it or drive it other than a qtr mile at a time. Now this...a Camaro set up to do the deed 3 seconds quicker (I still can't believe it). You know I watch the video of the ZL1 ripping up the Nurburgring and have to say....this Z/28 will do it approx. 3 seconds quicker than that?? Don't get me wrong, I believe it can with the enhancements mentioned. Lower weight, better brakes, body enhancements...just amazing--can't wait to see the videos. Popcorn awaits!!!