I believe im going with a Maggie

[Kronix]

Originally Posted by Unreal

You should post a price break down of what you had to do for 700rwhp with the Maggie. Stock L99 automatic car made 680rwhp with TT kit, no other mods through the auto. Manual would have been 700+. Interest to see what it takes to get a Maggie to make the same power the $7500 TT kit makes.

I've got a little over $100K in the car, but that's not all engine obviously. But I stopped counting a long time ago to keep me from getting sick
As far as engine, I'll do my best to recall what's in there.
TVS 2300 with 3.6 Pulley
OG Cog Drive
Innovators West 8 Rib pulley system
JRE Super Tensioner
Kooks 1 7/8 Ceramic coated headers, SLP X-Pipe, SLP Loud Mouth II exhaust
Granatelli Coils & wires
Ported, polished Throttle Body
CNC'd Heads
ZR1 Fuel pump with ADM FPCM
ID8500 Injectors
160 T-stat
CMS Custom Blower Cam with goodies
CHE Rocker upgrade
Forged Rods
Cylinder Head Bolts, APR Head Studs
Billet timing chain
Iconel Manley valves
Main Bearing
APR bolts through out
Custom Pistons
NGK 7 plugs
Monster Catch Can
GForce Axles
Eaton Differential
ALKY Control Meth kit
CAI, Inc open box
Mcloed RXT clutch with steel flywheel
Plus Pedders/Pfadt & BMR suspension from the ground up replacing everything stock.
And a damn good tune.

That's off the top of my head without pulling my build sheet, I'm sure I forgot some stuff. But I've tried to make it as bullet proof as possible without anything breaking.

[Unreal]

That is my point though, if you add all your power mods to make 700rwhp (blower, headers, 8 rib, tensioner, heads, cam, meth, cai) you spent a lot more than just doing turbos. In fact it is probably double.

[Kronix]

Originally Posted by Unreal

That is my point though, if you add all your power mods to make 700rwhp (blower, headers, 8 rib, tensioner, heads, cam, meth, cai) you spent a lot more than just doing turbos. In fact it is probably double.

I'm sure, more like triple, but a lot of those things included were to make it as bulletproof as possible. You throw a TT system in a stock Camaro and you'll start breaking stuff real quick.

[Unreal]

I was talking just power mods, not including the stuff like clutch/rearend/etc. Either way you need that stuff. If you just add up the stuff I listed it is $15k+ without labor.

[Fiftydriver]

The question you need to ask youself and be honest is what performance level do you want. 500 rwhp, could not be easier with the Maggie. 600 rwhp, pretty easy to do but will need some accessary items. 650 rwhp, getting more spendy, fuel upgrades, injector upgrades, belt kit upgrades and probably cam.

700 rwhp, even more $$.

So, the real question is where do you want your car to be. If you want much more then 650 rwhp and do not want to pay for all the accessary items needed for the Maggie, you may want to go with one of the centri blowers or a larger PD such as a Whipple, or as mentioned a turbo system but if you do want much more then this level of power, your going to be spending a lot more then just a blower or turbo if you want long term engine life.

[Mchlgrrsn]

It all depends on what the ops goals are. Any big HP build is going to be big $$$$$ . We are all junkies. It's not a good idea to total everything up. Lol

[Supercharged SS]

It's only money. Who keeps track of it anyway? Get whatever blower you want to get.

[gnturboray]

Originally Posted by Unreal

$7500 for a magnacharger
$1300 for headers
$350 for CAI
$250 for OD cogs
$350 for BAP
$450 for bigger injectors
$90 for smaller pulley

Now you make 600rwhp. Or bolt on a TT kit for $7500, set it to 7-8psi make 600rwhp. More torque, more top end, no heat soak issues, and can turn it up later when you want.

Not true, the Maggie kit comes with 52# injectors. You can easily make 520rwhp on an LS3 with stock manifolds, a good catback and a CAI. No BAP needed, no headers needed, no OD cogs needed, no pulley down needed for that power level.

[shiznight]

not one edlebrock eforce guy going to chime up? saw a vette at the track here in okc put out some low 11's with bolt ons and the edlebrock kit in a 3k+ da. sold me on the kit. i know i will never weigh as much as one of those little cars though.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by gnturboray

Not true, the Maggie kit comes with 52# injectors. You can easily make 520rwhp on an LS3 with stock manifolds, a good catback and a CAI. No BAP needed, no headers needed, no OD cogs needed, no pulley down needed for that power level.

Ok, you can make 520, now what do you need to make 600? 650? 700? I said 600rwhp, not 520.

[Turbo99]

Why do you continue to harp on TT set-up? They will produce more power no doubt....BUT I haven't seen a kit yet that is in the price ranges that you talk about that is a straight bolt up and go WITHOUT having issues. Recently the systems are better and it may be possible, but with the Maggie you get PURE RELIABILITY and not worrying about a turbo going out, oil leaks (as much), exhaust leaks, more heat under the hood and a few others.
Now if you don't mind some of that and want all out power...well TT is good or maybe even better is a Centri blower..not as efficient but power is power.

I am at 650-680 with my Maggie around 10-11 psi, cam, headers, CIA, different injectors, dual fuel pumps.

[Kronix]

Not to mention you don't need to service your Maggie until 80,000 miles.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by Turbo99

Why do you continue to harp on TT set-up? They will produce more power no doubt....BUT I haven't seen a kit yet that is in the price ranges that you talk about that is a straight bolt up and go WITHOUT having issues. Recently the systems are better and it may be possible, but with the Maggie you get PURE RELIABILITY and not worrying about a turbo going out, oil leaks (as much), exhaust leaks, more heat under the hood and a few others.
Now if you don't mind some of that and want all out power...well TT is good or maybe even better is a Centri blower..not as efficient but power is power.

I am at 650-680 with my Maggie around 10-11 psi, cam, headers, CIA, different injectors, dual fuel pumps.

Keep looking then. Kit my friend has on his car has been on for 2 years and not a single issue. Turbos are OEM quality along with cast adapters/etc. No service or special care needed. Plenty of the turbos on the kit are running 200k+ miles without issues.

I know of two locals alone this week that are pulling the magnachargers off to get the rear jackshaft seal/bearing replaced because they failed within 20k.

[H-E]

Originally Posted by Unreal

Keep looking then. Kit my friend has on his car has been on for 2 years and not a single issue. Turbos are OEM quality along with cast adapters/etc. No service or special care needed. Plenty of the turbos on the kit are running 200k+ miles without issues.

I know of two locals alone this week that are pulling the magnachargers off to get the rear jackshaft seal/bearing replaced because they failed within 20k.

What kind of times does your buddy pull with that turbo kit? 60ft?