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SSDan · 07-08-2013, 02:19 PM

PQ, I listened to your valve train vid. I assume the noise level is louder than you remember from before. FWIIW my dual spring valve train has always sounded just about like your's in the vid since installed 10K miles ago.

I have the hi-vol Melling and my OP cold is over 60 psi and never below 35-40 no matter how hot the oil so I really sympathize for your situation. I'd be very worried and frustrated as I bet you are.

Good luck with checking the oil pump. Remember patience is a virtue and I wish you the patience to go slow and methodical as you tear the front of the motor off. Would hate to here that you slung another two quarts of oil around on our public highways!

Jayrcr3 · 07-08-2013, 02:26 PM

You can also take the pump cover off and remove the guts. It's very simple inside, and will give you much greater wiggle room to get the pump on. A ratchet wrench will be a godsend for getting the pickup tube bolt back into place. I also stuffed a rag in the oil pan to prevent having to fish around in there when you drop that bolt the first 5 times you try to get it started.

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PQ · 07-08-2013, 02:29 PM

Good stuff guys. Thanks a ton.

I'm cutting the filter open right now to see if there is anything in it that should not be.

Jayrcr3 · 07-08-2013, 02:30 PM

Oh, I almost forgot. The back two bolts in the oil pan are about 8" long. Those two get torqued to 9 ft lbs. I say again 9 ft lbs. They will snap off if you try to torque them to 18 like all the others. I heard of a guy that did this. Lol

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PQ · 07-08-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayrcr3

Oh, I almost forgot. The back two bolts in the oil pan are about 8" long. Those two get torqued to 9 ft lbs. I say again 9 ft lbs. They will snap off if you try to torque them to 18 like all the others. I heard of a guy that did this. Lol

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Got it. Thanks.

PQ · 07-08-2013, 03:39 PM

litle88 · 07-08-2013, 03:59 PM

Is that metal?

Not good......not good......

Time for a 416?

strych9 · 07-08-2013, 04:27 PM

Ouch.

PQ · 07-08-2013, 04:30 PM

Ok, so here's my thinking. Makes perfect sense right?

Drained the oil and got ZERO shavings. But found this in the filter. So these shavings in the filter are from the pump?????????????????????

litle88 · 07-08-2013, 04:40 PM

from somewhere in your motor, could be pump or could be something else, I cant tell if that could be bearing material. im sure your pick up tube screen could be clogged and all of that metal shavings going thru your pump in definately not good either. Take that to get analyzed by a machine shop in your area.

strych9 · 07-08-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

from somewhere in your motor, could be pump or could be something else, I cant tell if that could be bearing material. im sure your pick up tube screen could be clogged and all of that metal shavings going thru your pump in definately not good either. Take that to get analyzed by a machine shop in your area.

Yep, you need to find out what that metal is before any assumptions can be made.

thahemp · 07-08-2013, 05:37 PM

That sucks PQ. You're gonna have to tear that motor down. Not only to figure out what is shedding metal, but to make sure you got all the metal out. Utter suckage...

PQ · 07-08-2013, 09:50 PM

I'm going to proceed as if it's the pump. I'll take the pump apart and look. If the pump is ground up then I'll be thankful for oil filters and just change the pump.

Will I be able to see the pickup tube screen without dropping the pan completely?

thahemp · 07-08-2013, 09:59 PM

If you leave metal in the motor, get ready for a stuck relief valve in the pump. Gouges in your cam, failed lifters, etc... It'll be a crap shoot.

07-08-2013, 02:19 PM	#29
SSDan Drives: 2016 1SS 6MT NPP Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lake Murray, SC Posts: 2,245 View My Garage	PQ, I listened to your valve train vid. I assume the noise level is louder than you remember from before. FWIIW my dual spring valve train has always sounded just about like your's in the vid since installed 10K miles ago. I have the hi-vol Melling and my OP cold is over 60 psi and never below 35-40 no matter how hot the oil so I really sympathize for your situation. I'd be very worried and frustrated as I bet you are. Good luck with checking the oil pump. Remember patience is a virtue and I wish you the patience to go slow and methodical as you tear the front of the motor off. Would hate to here that you slung another two quarts of oil around on our public highways! __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS Hyper Blue 6MT NPP 2010 Camaro 2SS Cam/Headers/CAI/3.91 gears 476 rwhp/440 rwtq (sold)

07-08-2013, 02:26 PM	#30
Jayrcr3 Drives: 2011 IOM 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Chatham, Illinois Posts: 756	You can also take the pump cover off and remove the guts. It's very simple inside, and will give you much greater wiggle room to get the pump on. A ratchet wrench will be a godsend for getting the pickup tube bolt back into place. I also stuffed a rag in the oil pan to prevent having to fish around in there when you drop that bolt the first 5 times you try to get it started. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 __________________ American Racing 1 7/8" Headers and Hi-Flow Cats, CAI cold air intake, Flowmaster AT exhaust, Vengeance Racing Stage 2 cam, VMax ported throttle body, TEA valve springs and titanium retainers, Trick Flow hardened pushrods, 180* T-stat, Comp Trunion kit, ZL1 Fuel Pump, ADM Fuel Pump Control Module, 20% window tint, Whipple Supercharger. Tuned by Mike Norris Motorsports. 656rwhp/584rwtq @10 PSI.

07-08-2013, 02:29 PM	#31
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	Good stuff guys. Thanks a ton. I'm cutting the filter open right now to see if there is anything in it that should not be. __________________

07-08-2013, 02:30 PM	#32
Jayrcr3 Drives: 2011 IOM 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Chatham, Illinois Posts: 756	Oh, I almost forgot. The back two bolts in the oil pan are about 8" long. Those two get torqued to 9 ft lbs. I say again 9 ft lbs. They will snap off if you try to torque them to 18 like all the others. I heard of a guy that did this. Lol Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 __________________ American Racing 1 7/8" Headers and Hi-Flow Cats, CAI cold air intake, Flowmaster AT exhaust, Vengeance Racing Stage 2 cam, VMax ported throttle body, TEA valve springs and titanium retainers, Trick Flow hardened pushrods, 180* T-stat, Comp Trunion kit, ZL1 Fuel Pump, ADM Fuel Pump Control Module, 20% window tint, Whipple Supercharger. Tuned by Mike Norris Motorsports. 656rwhp/584rwtq @10 PSI.

07-08-2013, 03:39 PM	#34
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07-08-2013, 03:59 PM	#35
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Is that metal? Not good......not good...... Time for a 416? __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

07-08-2013, 04:27 PM	#36
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07-08-2013, 04:30 PM	#37
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	Ok, so here's my thinking. Makes perfect sense right? Drained the oil and got ZERO shavings. But found this in the filter. So these shavings in the filter are from the pump????????????????????? __________________

07-08-2013, 04:40 PM	#38
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	from somewhere in your motor, could be pump or could be something else, I cant tell if that could be bearing material. im sure your pick up tube screen could be clogged and all of that metal shavings going thru your pump in definately not good either. Take that to get analyzed by a machine shop in your area. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

07-08-2013, 05:37 PM	#40
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	That sucks PQ. You're gonna have to tear that motor down. Not only to figure out what is shedding metal, but to make sure you got all the metal out. Utter suckage... __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

07-08-2013, 09:50 PM	#41
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	I'm going to proceed as if it's the pump. I'll take the pump apart and look. If the pump is ground up then I'll be thankful for oil filters and just change the pump. Will I be able to see the pickup tube screen without dropping the pan completely? __________________

07-08-2013, 09:59 PM	#42
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	If you leave metal in the motor, get ready for a stuck relief valve in the pump. Gouges in your cam, failed lifters, etc... It'll be a crap shoot. __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x