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Old 07-21-2011, 05:27 PM   #617
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it may handle like an animal, but I want something that is god like in the curves.
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We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:31 PM   #618
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The tough question for Chevrolet is if the Z/28 will take units away from the ZL1 and or the SS with no net increase in overall sales. Ford has offered so many versions of the Mustang I have lost count and yet the Camaro with no Vert out sold the Mustang. With the Vert and SS it is out selling the Mustang again. That brings us to the ZL1. Not every ZL1 buyer would have been a SS buyer. That means we are in the plus column for sales.

Now we have to work our magic on the Z/28. Price point is certainly a key component, but what other features of the Z/28 will draw in buyers from Ford and a wide range of imports? An LS7 is certainly a draw. I would love to list my Supercar Coilovers, but that won't happen. The ZL1 will be a road course animal based on my inside source BUT we need to find ways to make the Z/28 stand out. Maybe just the allure of the LS7 and a special wheel and tire fitment would be enough. We take the FE4 and run with it. Brembo makes a two piece front rotor for the CTS-V, maybe we use those and a few other 'lightweight' off the shelf bits.

There is a perfect blend formula. We and Chevrolet just need to work on it.
Good points Pete, but not every Z/28 buyer would have been a ZL1 buyer.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:13 PM   #619
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I'd buy the ZL1, but the $$$$$ are too high, and I prefer it to be NA. The LS7 would push me to the Z28 even more. If the ZL1 had the LS7 I would go there if no Z28 appeared.
So am I the only one that feels this way???

Another point; I hope GM doesn't believe that the Camaro fever will continue to grow without continued excitement, ie a Z**
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:28 PM   #620
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Good points Pete, but not every Z/28 buyer would have been a ZL1 buyer.
That is music to Chevrolet's ears. They want every Camaro buyer they can find.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:37 PM   #621
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it may handle like an animal, but I want something that is god like in the curves.
That is what Pete is talking about when he states it will be a road coarse animal.... That's what a road coarse is.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:12 PM   #623
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The tough question for Chevrolet is if the Z/28 will take units away from the ZL1 and or the SS with no net increase in overall sales. Ford has offered so many versions of the Mustang I have lost count and yet the Camaro with no Vert out sold the Mustang. With the Vert and SS it is out selling the Mustang again. That brings us to the ZL1. Not every ZL1 buyer would have been a SS buyer. That means we are in the plus column for sales.

Now we have to work our magic on the Z/28. Price point is certainly a key component, but what other features of the Z/28 will draw in buyers from Ford and a wide range of imports? An LS7 is certainly a draw. I would love to list my Supercar Coilovers, but that won't happen. The ZL1 will be a road course animal based on my inside source BUT we need to find ways to make the Z/28 stand out. Maybe just the allure of the LS7 and a special wheel and tire fitment would be enough. We take the FE4 and run with it. Brembo makes a two piece front rotor for the CTS-V, maybe we use those and a few other 'lightweight' off the shelf bits.

There is a perfect blend formula. We and Chevrolet just need to work on it.
Pete, I am going to stick to my opinion that when the Z28 shows up, most likely in the new lighter chassis, the ZL1 will be gone. I could be really off base with this but I think that the ZL1 will be on this chassis only until the new chassis arrives, basically only a 2 to 3 year car. When the 6th Gen. Camaro arrives the Z28 will appear and will not compete head to head with the ZL1 in direct sales. There are a lot of people out there that want the Z28 to be the lighter track car and I hope they get exactly what they want. For me, the ZL1 is exactly what I wanted. If I had to pick between the ZL1 as currently being shown and a lighter more nimble track Z28 car, I would pick the ZL1 but that is just me.
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That is what Pete is talking about when he states it will be a road coarse animal.... That's what a road coarse is.
really? I thought it was some mythical being. seriously now.

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Old 07-22-2011, 07:59 AM   #628
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Pete, I am going to stick to my opinion that when the Z28 shows up, most likely in the new lighter chassis, the ZL1 will be gone. I could be really off base with this but I think that the ZL1 will be on this chassis only until the new chassis arrives, basically only a 2 to 3 year car. When the 6th Gen. Camaro arrives the Z28 will appear and will not compete head to head with the ZL1 in direct sales. There are a lot of people out there that want the Z28 to be the lighter track car and I hope they get exactly what they want. For me, the ZL1 is exactly what I wanted. If I had to pick between the ZL1 as currently being shown and a lighter more nimble track Z28 car, I would pick the ZL1 but that is just me.
Not just you, I also feel this way The bold statement is where I disagree slightly. I don't think there are a lot of people caring about a light "track car". very few people take there vehicle to the road course.:( what a shame.... they have NO IDEA what they are missing, even with the 2SS
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:03 AM   #629
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really? I thought it was some mythical being. seriously now.

I visit god and the devil in every curve. they both kicked me out.
well, then your request and statement for something that is "god like in the corners" doesn't make since.

how often do you do track days? where at?
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Pete, I am going to stick to my opinion that when the Z28 shows up, most likely in the new lighter chassis, the ZL1 will be gone. I could be really off base with this but I think that the ZL1 will be on this chassis only until the new chassis arrives, basically only a 2 to 3 year car. When the 6th Gen. Camaro arrives the Z28 will appear and will not compete head to head with the ZL1 in direct sales. There are a lot of people out there that want the Z28 to be the lighter track car and I hope they get exactly what they want. For me, the ZL1 is exactly what I wanted. If I had to pick between the ZL1 as currently being shown and a lighter more nimble track Z28 car, I would pick the ZL1 but that is just me.
I understand your logic while knowing that your opinion is not what some Z/28 fans want to hear.
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