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fbodfather · 05-17-2009, 12:41 AM

If anyone replied to this post with a 'NO' -- I'd really wonder about where they're coming from.

Here's the problem with zero percent financing.

Take the example that TAG uses --

......the part you're missing is the additional interest on that monthy savings.

..............see-- GMAC -- or Ford Motor Credit - or any captive finance company -- does not offer zero percent financing as an act of kindness.

SOMEONE has to pay for that -- and it comes right from the Divisional Budget -- meaning that you're talking thousands of dollars in additional incentive money to do that.

We DO have low interest financing OR a rebate on most cars -- those that are not selling as fast as we'd like.........

.............but looking at our financials --(we're losing billions...) why would anyone with any business acumen offer zero percent financing on a car that has people threatening me and many others with bodily harm if we don't build (and ship!) their new Camaro two months ago?

So yes -- it would give a 'sales lift' -- but at an even bigger loss............

72Zmaggie98Z · 05-17-2009, 12:47 AM

We were able to get 3.99% from the local credit union on our 2010 I am very happy with that rate, considering the loan on my 92 Camaro back in the mid 90's was at 12% with me having great credit.

my2010camaross · 05-17-2009, 12:56 AM

zero % for well qualified buyers, all other buyers finance else where. Or allow the cash allowance, which is what I would hope that they would do on my car. I mean, if I really wanted to, I could borrow a small amount from my credit card and have the whole car payed of day 1. Reality, is the cash allowance is a benefit for both the consumer and the seller. Seller makes all the amount right up front, cunsumer gets the incentive of say 1k-1,500 for doing so. Win Win

Supermans · 05-17-2009, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbodfather

If anyone replied to this post with a 'NO' -- I'd really wonder about where they're coming from.

Here's the problem with zero percent financing.

Take the example that TAG uses --

......the part you're missing is the additional interest on that monthy savings.

..............see-- GMAC -- or Ford Motor Credit - or any captive finance company -- does not offer zero percent financing as an act of kindness.

SOMEONE has to pay for that -- and it comes right from the Divisional Budget -- meaning that you're talking thousands of dollars in additional incentive money to do that.

We DO have low interest financing OR a rebate on most cars -- those that are not selling as fast as we'd like.........

.............but looking at our financials --(we're losing billions...) why would anyone with any business acumen offer zero percent financing on a car that has people threatening me and many others with bodily harm if we don't build (and ship!) their new Camaro two months ago?

So yes -- it would give a 'sales lift' -- but at an even bigger loss............

So basically because you can't get the cars out in time to meet current high demand, it would be stupid to increase demand even more and then at a loss of even more money with 0% financing.

I would say you guys at GM need to be able to create more Camaro's and less of other less popular vehicles so 0% financing can be done and you could sell more vehicles and at the same time help out those of us who would benefit from paying less each month for the car..

siliconewolfgang · 05-17-2009, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinergy

It'd be nice to see our Politicians have the balls to stand up to credit card companies, but apparently (as usual) they don't.

Politicians HAVE NO BALLS or ethics.

siliconewolfgang · 05-17-2009, 01:41 AM

People People People and GM too.... All GMAC needs to do is offer a better rate than a bank or credit union - say 2% financing.

Then as some folks pointed out, buyers would then maybe buy a few more "addons" or MORE buyers would simple buy MORE cars = MORE MARGIN OR REVENUES MEANS LESS TAXPAYER MONEY TO BAIL OUT BIG WIGS THAT RAN THEIR COMPANY INTO THE GROUND BUT STILL GET THEIR MILLIONS IN BONUSES >>>>>>> a win win for today's consumers and whatever is left of today's GM.

BIG COMPANIES GET SLOW, STUPID AND LOSE SITE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND WHAT THEY WANT. AND ALSO WHAT GOT THEM BIG IN THE FIRST PLACE....LISTENING AND CARING ABOUTWHO BUYS FROM THEM. LOOK AT ALL OUR BIG BUSINESSES- THE BIG WIGS GET FURTHER FROM THE CUSTOMER EVERY TIME THEY EXPAND....

GMtothecore · 05-17-2009, 02:02 AM

I'm really hoping for 0% when I get my camaro......I could get by without it, but it would be a nice little crutch!

fbodfather · 05-17-2009, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siliconewolfgang

People People People and GM too.... All GMAC needs to do is offer a better rate than a bank or credit union - say 2% financing.

Then as some folks pointed out, buyers would then maybe buy a few more "addons" or MORE buyers would simple buy MORE cars = MORE MARGIN OR REVENUES MEANS LESS TAXPAYER MONEY TO BAIL OUT BIG WIGS THAT RAN THEIR COMPANY INTO THE GROUND BUT STILL GET THEIR MILLIONS IN BONUSES >>>>>>> a win win for today's consumers and whatever is left of today's GM.

BIG COMPANIES GET SLOW, STUPID AND LOSE SITE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND WHAT THEY WANT. AND ALSO WHAT GOT THEM BIG IN THE FIRST PLACE....LISTENING AND CARING ABOUTWHO BUYS FROM THEM. LOOK AT ALL OUR BIG BUSINESSES- THE BIG WIGS GET FURTHER FROM THE CUSTOMER EVERY TIME THEY EXPAND....

oooooooooooooookay.........

Now --

I have a question:

Have you read about the current state of affairs in this country?

Have you looked at what's going on in the financial community?

GMAC and Chrysler financial cannot raise the funds they need to finance everyone that wants to get financing.......

Go do the math on a $30,000 loan over 5 years -- what the carrying costs are --

I understand your frustration --

And your statement:

QUOTE: LESS TAXPAYER MONEY TO BAIL OUT BIG WIGS THAT RAN THEIR COMPANY INTO THE GROUND BUT STILL GET THEIR MILLIONS IN BONUSES UNQUOTE......

GM is not getting free money from the Government - it is a loan that will be repaid with a substantial amount of interest. (not zero percent!) That is UNLIKE the aid that was given to foreign manufacturers in the State of Alabama by Sen. Richard Shelby....that does not require a payback......

Further, no one at GM is getting 'bonuses' -- and in fact, no one has for a few years. What IS true is that as people are let go, they are getting next to nothing...no matter how long they worked for the company -....I have watched thousands as they are let go - they worked hard and they got caught in the cross-fire. I know of more than one person who, like me, spent weekends with our enthusiasts -- and lived/ate/breathed GM........it's horrible!

DkknightX · 05-17-2009, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbodfather

oooooooooooooookay.........

Now --

I have a question:

Have you read about the current state of affairs in this country?

Have you looked at what's going on in the financial community?

GMAC and Chrysler financial cannot raise the funds they need to finance everyone that wants to get financing.......

Go do the math on a $30,000 loan over 5 years -- what the carrying costs are --

I understand your frustration --

And your statement:

QUOTE: LESS TAXPAYER MONEY TO BAIL OUT BIG WIGS THAT RAN THEIR COMPANY INTO THE GROUND BUT STILL GET THEIR MILLIONS IN BONUSES UNQUOTE......

GM is not getting free money from the Government - it is a loan that will be repaid with a substantial amount of interest. (not zero percent!) That is UNLIKE the aid that was given to foreign manufacturers in the State of Alabama by Sen. Richard Shelby....that does not require a payback......

Further, no one at GM is getting 'bonuses' -- and in fact, no one has for a few years. What IS true is that as people are let go, they are getting next to nothing...no matter how long they worked for the company -....I have watched thousands as they are let go - they worked hard and they got caught in the cross-fire. I know of more than one person who, like me, spent weekends with our enthusiasts -- and lived/ate/breathed GM........it's horrible!

The UAW should have thought about that 20 years ago while they were slowly suffocating GM and had time to renegotiate to allow the company to reorganize properly. Now...they'll have nothing. You shouldn't feel so sorry for the workers if GM files for Chapter 11 because they had direct control over who was appointed to the UAW, but they too, became greedy. Now on the verge of losing everything, they want to negotiate...after the fact...GM on the fringe. Compassion is a limited commodity most of us use sparingly with GM and the UAW, especially when pity is the fuel it runs on. You know what is ironic too? The unions supported Barack Obama, and what Obama is doing is trying to stop the bleeding for the nation after you and I have bled too much to save GM from itself. We know how those workers are voting come next term.

I'm not in favor of anybody losing their jobs or being "caught in the cross-fire." The workers had the power to do what was right, but the UAW kept milking the golden cow (GM). What do you expect taxpayers to honestly think, fbod? Seriously.

jking · 05-17-2009, 05:05 AM

If GM (or the dealerships) suddenly started offering zero percent financing, I'd be ordering a Camaro tomorrow. I'm dying to get one like all of us here, but financially I just can't swing it right now.

I was at a Chev dealership just before they received their first Camaro a few weeks ago. I was chatting with the salesman and he told me that they recently announced that they are lowering the restrictions on qualifying for zero percent on the Cobalts. He said "even folks with not so great credit scores can now qualify for zero percent on a Cobalt". And any other car that's being advertised as zero percent, he said that your score has to be at least 640 to qualify (I was given that number by two different dealerships).

But with the Camaro, not only are low interest rates not happening, but most of the dealerships it seems are marking way up over MSRP. So it's the worst of both worlds; high finance rates, along with inflated pricing! It's for those reasons that I will probably have to be forced to wait until next year for my Camaro.

However I do realize that some dealerships are staying at MSRP, so maybe I can consider a purchase in a few months time because of that.

Supermans · 05-17-2009, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DkknightX

The UAW should have thought about that 20 years ago while they were slowly suffocating GM and had time to renegotiate to allow the company to reorganize properly. Now...they'll have nothing. You shouldn't feel so sorry for the workers if GM files for Chapter 11 because they had direct control over who was appointed to the UAW, but they too, became greedy. Now on the verge of losing everything, they want to negotiate...after the fact...GM on the fringe. Compassion is a limited commodity most of us use sparingly with GM and the UAW, especially when pity is the fuel it runs on. You know what is ironic too? The unions supported Barack Obama, and what Obama is doing is trying to stop the bleeding for the nation after you and I have bled too much to save GM from itself. We know how those workers are voting come next term.

I'm not in favor of anybody losing their jobs or being "caught in the cross-fire." The workers had the power to do what was right, but the UAW kept milking the golden cow (GM). What do you expect taxpayers to honestly think, fbod? Seriously.

Wareal · 05-17-2009, 08:17 AM

GM has been offering 0% through GMAC consistently for at least three years on specific models. This practice has not helped their bottom line. It's only delayed the inevitable. There is a reason they offer rate or rebate, but not both. GM subsidizes one or the other. GM is not profitable because they stopped making a quality product (ironically, until just recently). All the newest models compare favorably with the competition, including imports: Malibu, Traverse, ZR1, and Camaro.

GM has to get smaller before they can get better (and bigger). The Cruz will be key to the relative success of GM. The Volt should help, as should the Spark and Orlando (1.6l turbodiesel).

If you plan on paying the car off early, take the rebate. If you plan on going the full term of the loan, take the 0%. Google "time value of money".

speedster · 05-17-2009, 08:21 AM

Unfortunately, 0% financing is unrealistic in todays economy - more sales (w/"0%") would equate to LESS gross profit. A dying business model.

SilverTurtle · 05-17-2009, 08:46 AM

in 2006, we bought our Z71 Tahoe... we had a PT Cruiser that was paid off as a trade in... the 0% financing was the selling point for that Tahoe... if we had been able to get a 2007 Tahoe for a better rate, we would have gotten one... but with 0% financing, $8000 trade in on the PT, GM loyalty rebate and the demonstrator discount on our Tahoe, we couldn't pass it up... and it is a true 0%, not something that is jacked up after XXmonths

I firmly believe that GM needs to get with some creditors and get 0% offered on some vehicles... if you buy a $25,000 2009 Silverado, getting 0% financing per month pays for one full tank of gas per month... nothing sells cars and trucks better than someone thinking they are getting something for free... or something for a better deal than other companies are offering.

View Poll Results: Should GM offer 0% financing on all vehicles to help boost sales?
Yes! Offer 0% financing!	222	92.50%
No. It's not necessary (read reasons why in posts below).	18	7.50%
Voters: 240. You may not vote on this poll

05-17-2009, 01:41 AM	#34
siliconewolfgang Drives: 2004 Hummer H2 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 103	People People People and GM too.... All GMAC needs to do is offer a better rate than a bank or credit union - say 2% financing. Then as some folks pointed out, buyers would then maybe buy a few more "addons" or MORE buyers would simple buy MORE cars = MORE MARGIN OR REVENUES MEANS LESS TAXPAYER MONEY TO BAIL OUT BIG WIGS THAT RAN THEIR COMPANY INTO THE GROUND BUT STILL GET THEIR MILLIONS IN BONUSES >>>>>>> a win win for today's consumers and whatever is left of today's GM. BIG COMPANIES GET SLOW, STUPID AND LOSE SITE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND WHAT THEY WANT. AND ALSO WHAT GOT THEM BIG IN THE FIRST PLACE....LISTENING AND CARING ABOUTWHO BUYS FROM THEM. LOOK AT ALL OUR BIG BUSINESSES- THE BIG WIGS GET FURTHER FROM THE CUSTOMER EVERY TIME THEY EXPAND.... __________________

05-17-2009, 02:02 AM	#35
GMtothecore "That Guy" Drives: Camaro SS...........what else? Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: OOOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweepin' down the plains. Posts: 2,360	I'm really hoping for 0% when I get my camaro......I could get by without it, but it would be a nice little crutch! __________________

05-17-2009, 08:21 AM	#41
speedster SST... Drives: SST Camaro 2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Coast of Florida Posts: 5,927 View My Garage	Unfortunately, 0% financing is unrealistic in todays economy - more sales (w/"0%") would equate to LESS gross profit. A dying business model. __________________

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05-17-2009, 12:41 AM	#29
fbodfather Drives: Camaros................ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seven Fields, PA (Pittsburgh) Posts: 4,523	If anyone replied to this post with a 'NO' -- I'd really wonder about where they're coming from. Here's the problem with zero percent financing. Take the example that TAG uses -- ......the part you're missing is the additional interest on that monthy savings. ..............see-- GMAC -- or Ford Motor Credit - or any captive finance company -- does not offer zero percent financing as an act of kindness. SOMEONE has to pay for that -- and it comes right from the Divisional Budget -- meaning that you're talking thousands of dollars in additional incentive money to do that. We DO have low interest financing OR a rebate on most cars -- those that are not selling as fast as we'd like......... .............but looking at our financials --(we're losing billions...) why would anyone with any business acumen offer zero percent financing on a car that has people threatening me and many others with bodily harm if we don't build (and ship!) their new Camaro two months ago? So yes -- it would give a 'sales lift' -- but at an even bigger loss............

05-17-2009, 12:47 AM	#30
72Zmaggie98Z Drives: 1972Z, 2010 RS/SS CGM & Orange Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 20	We were able to get 3.99% from the local credit union on our 2010 I am very happy with that rate, considering the loan on my 92 Camaro back in the mid 90's was at 12% with me having great credit.

05-17-2009, 12:56 AM	#31
my2010camaross ss Drives: all black ss Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: texas Posts: 331	zero % for well qualified buyers, all other buyers finance else where. Or allow the cash allowance, which is what I would hope that they would do on my car. I mean, if I really wanted to, I could borrow a small amount from my credit card and have the whole car payed of day 1. Reality, is the cash allowance is a benefit for both the consumer and the seller. Seller makes all the amount right up front, cunsumer gets the incentive of say 1k-1,500 for doing so. Win Win

05-17-2009, 05:05 AM	#38
jking Drives: Hyundai Sonata Join Date: May 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 34	If GM (or the dealerships) suddenly started offering zero percent financing, I'd be ordering a Camaro tomorrow. I'm dying to get one like all of us here, but financially I just can't swing it right now. I was at a Chev dealership just before they received their first Camaro a few weeks ago. I was chatting with the salesman and he told me that they recently announced that they are lowering the restrictions on qualifying for zero percent on the Cobalts. He said "even folks with not so great credit scores can now qualify for zero percent on a Cobalt". And any other car that's being advertised as zero percent, he said that your score has to be at least 640 to qualify (I was given that number by two different dealerships). But with the Camaro, not only are low interest rates not happening, but most of the dealerships it seems are marking way up over MSRP. So it's the worst of both worlds; high finance rates, along with inflated pricing! It's for those reasons that I will probably have to be forced to wait until next year for my Camaro. However I do realize that some dealerships are staying at MSRP, so maybe I can consider a purchase in a few months time because of that.

05-17-2009, 08:17 AM	#40
Wareal Drives: 911 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 74	GM has been offering 0% through GMAC consistently for at least three years on specific models. This practice has not helped their bottom line. It's only delayed the inevitable. There is a reason they offer rate or rebate, but not both. GM subsidizes one or the other. GM is not profitable because they stopped making a quality product (ironically, until just recently). All the newest models compare favorably with the competition, including imports: Malibu, Traverse, ZR1, and Camaro. GM has to get smaller before they can get better (and bigger). The Cruz will be key to the relative success of GM. The Volt should help, as should the Spark and Orlando (1.6l turbodiesel). If you plan on paying the car off early, take the rebate. If you plan on going the full term of the loan, take the 0%. Google "time value of money".

05-17-2009, 08:46 AM	#42
SilverTurtle Reality Check Specialist Drives: '02 Z28, 2012 45th SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATX Posts: 1,730	in 2006, we bought our Z71 Tahoe... we had a PT Cruiser that was paid off as a trade in... the 0% financing was the selling point for that Tahoe... if we had been able to get a 2007 Tahoe for a better rate, we would have gotten one... but with 0% financing, $8000 trade in on the PT, GM loyalty rebate and the demonstrator discount on our Tahoe, we couldn't pass it up... and it is a true 0%, not something that is jacked up after XXmonths I firmly believe that GM needs to get with some creditors and get 0% offered on some vehicles... if you buy a $25,000 2009 Silverado, getting 0% financing per month pays for one full tank of gas per month... nothing sells cars and trucks better than someone thinking they are getting something for free... or something for a better deal than other companies are offering.